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Şengün Out For a Week

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by aaquaa, Jan 1, 2022.

  1. Ankara1923

    Ankara1923 Member

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    Hakeem suggested to send him to G-League and I suggested Efes would be better if he has to be sent somewhere for proper playing time/improving himself. I am not saying Rockets is a G-League team, even Silas&Co cannot succeed that low.
     
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    Yeah, I wished we could do that without him being in Covid protocols.... I am not sure how long he would be out if he was returning from Turkey.
     
  3. Ankara1923

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    If you send him you forget for the season. It is not possible to call him back before the end of season.

    Meanwhile I can read Nahnu (we) in your description but cannot read the second part (something like Al-elet). Long time I didn't practice Arabic (last time was 1994 in Egypt). What's written there?
     
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    I am not Arab, just google translated it. We are Family.

    [​IMG]
     
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  5. banzai

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    Let’s give Garuba some pt.
     
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  6. Ankara1923

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    I guessed so, nahnu ailiyyeh. Thanks
     
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    this sounds intriguing, but i cant see them doing that sending him back to europe?...

    i see no harm for him to play in g league in addition to his 15 min per game in nba....

    his game imho is already superb... i suggested g league just for the sake of adding the jumper, however weak the league imho its still games and better than shooting in an empty gym...you can not be taught jumper in an empty gym.... you need games....real games

    perhaps even he can work on handles down in the valley, they should let him dominate the ball for the entire game just like they let yanis do....
     
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  8. ApacheWarrior

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    I didnt realize winning the rookie of the year was about best stat averages

    on offense across the board and then taking the best stat averages

    across the board defensively.

    I must have been absent that day. Well there you go.

    I learn something new each day. Can you show me where it is written?
    Must be in the fine print.
     
  9. ApacheWarrior

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    @Ankara1923

    I'm glad you have an algorithm for picking ROTY. Guess we can
    take the voting out of the hands of the sports writers.

    Do you think MVP is decided that way as well?

    And by the way I'm rooting for Mobley to win it. That would
    inspire Green to no ends to work harder in the off-season lifting
    weights and working on his game. More than if Scottie Barnes
    wins it.

    Suggs hasn't played since Dec 1st. Don't count him out either if
    he comes back and has a strong second half. Its not about who gets
    out of the starting blocks first......it's who leaves the greatest impression
    at years end.
     
  10. Ankara1923

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    I guess we have lots of prejudice (for G-League) at this side of pond :)
     
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    i dont care if its the trash league or a street league its still the games...and 100 times better than the empty gym training....

    real games 10 jumpers per game it gotta be useful...its visible he lacks the automatism and the shooting reflex....the thing is you can practice in the gym but it doesnt translate and give as much results as when the jumper is actually used in the games... imho the more we use the new knowledge we just acquired the better and faster we learn and its easier to retain it..this is why playing is crutial...

    player needs to play.....

    look at JG he started like trash but continuous playing 30 minutes per game and constant chucking of a lot of ill advised 3 pointers still gave results and hes shooting 40+% or something on 3s last 10 games
     
  12. Ankara1923

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    Can be counter-productive.

    Josh Christopher played there, still didn't learn that he has to pass. As a guard/small forward he makes roughly 1 assist for 10 minutes he plays. Unacceptable. I don't know how much of his non-passing is related to G-League but it might effect Sengun also.

    It’s visible that Sengun p... ed off and his assists number is going down-if you compare with the beginning of the season. Spending some time in G-League might turn Sengun to another Houston bricklayer. We have enough masons, don't need one more.

    Sengun's 2pt percentage around 60. Let's say after training he got 35% 3pt percentage. It means that for every 100 shooting :

    100x60%= 120 points for 2 points
    100x35%=105 points for 3 points.

    It means Rockets will be losing 15 points for Alpi's 3 points shooting instead of 2.

    No point.

    Teach him positioning for rebounds, play alongside with another big. 3 point is important but not as important as other pivotal activities at the moment.

    Anyway, if Silas lasts more than few months Alpi either will be traded or will be sent to G-League. Accident to be happen.
     
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  13. BHannes2BHonest

    BHannes2BHonest 2 SOLID FOR WEIRD AZZES

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    Just stopping by this thread to check in on @ApacheWarrior to see if things have calmed down and we can all root for our rockets now. :D
     
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    Shur nuff

    We can all root for the Rockets

    I guesstimated Jalen Green would average 22 points per game this season.
    I would need Green to average over 24 points per game in the final 42 games.

    Silas didn't adjust the rotation well enough and soon enough.
    But I'm not mad....Silas is what I expected. A rookie coach.
    But it's all good.

    Go Rockets!!!
     
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  15. AlperenSengun

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    His 2pt % comes to 60% with dunks, shots within 4 ft etc. The 35% 3pt will replace his 45% (maybe worse) long 2pt shot, so Rockets will not lose points on that. And on top of that, you can't let the other team know that you won't shoot 3s. It creates tactical disadvantages.

    This comment is not about g-league or any of the other discussion. Just pointing out that your reasoning with the %s and conclusion with losing 15 points is incorrect.
     
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  16. Ankara1923

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    If his mid-range is 45% or worse his dunk and 4ft percentage must be 60% or more.

    He has 30.8% 3pt percentage and 50% total percentage. If you consider 45% or worse mid-range what will be close-range percentage?

    It seems that you were not one of the brightest in math class. If you need help I can arrange some online lessons (you have to pay) up to fifth level differential equations.
     
  17. AlperenSengun

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    His shooting splits are as follows(according to nba.com, https://www.nba.com/stats/players/s...2&SeasonType=Regular Season&TeamID=1610612745)

    less than 5ft: 59.6 %
    5-9 ft: 36 %
    10-14 ft: 45.5 %
    15-19 ft: 0 %
    20 ft and more: 33.3 %

    I actually had not looked up the numbers before I post. It was a random number to point out the flaw in your thinking.
     
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  18. Ankara1923

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    Hope you check the numbers before commenting and labelling the other parties such as "incorrect, biased, flawed, etc.." At the end you become "incorrect, biased, flawed" if you don't know the numbers.

    I roughly calculated 60% and it was 59.6 %. If my source was my a.. instead of the real numbers I would guess 80% or 20%.Not good.

    I will explain you 3pt issue again. Hope it will help :
    There is no immediate need to improve his 3pt shooting percentage from 30.8 to 35%. This 4.2% will bring 12.6 more points in every 100 attempts. If he shoots 4 times in a match it will take 25 games ( 0.5 more point every match). Is it worth?

    Instead of 3pt, if you train him rebounding, mid-range shooting and rim finishing it might help to Rockets 7 to 10 points a game (4 to 6 points himself, 3 to 6 points assisting and preventing second chance points).

    I just watched Sun's-Heat match. Yurt7 scored very badly, only 7 points, 25% fg but 16 rebounds and 8 assists. Heat defeated Suns by 23, in Phoenix. Yurt7 never attempted 3pt but he was "one of the reason" Heat crashed Suns.

    Summary: 3pt shooting is important but not as important as rebounding & assisting for a center.
     
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  19. AlperenSengun

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    Summary: you said rockets would lose 15pts for Alpi's shooting. I pointed out it was wrong. It still is wrong. Your summary has nothing to do with what I write. I told you that I was solely commenting on this being wrong. Nothing to do with what is important for a center or not.
     
  20. Ankara1923

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    OK. I will describe you the situation AGAIN :

    There is something called "opportunity cost". Every 3 Alpi tries instead of cutting inside and doing a close range shot:

    His official percentage :59.6 %
    Expected 3 pt percentage : 35 %

    100 times 59.6% 2 pt= 119.2 points
    100 times 35.0% 3pt= 105 points

    119.2 - 105= 14.2 points

    I cannot send you kindergarten math classes. It is your parents duty.
     
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