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Give the Homelesss homes, unconditionally

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by TheRealist137, Jan 7, 2022.

  1. tinman

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    Imagine if there were multiple Peter Parkers in a movie
     
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    Best idea. and a 1% tax on non '99ers
     
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    These people are John Walls
    They want to get paid max salary and do nothing
     
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    To be clear, these people aren't being given homes - and it's not unconditional. They are tenants and required to pay rent, and they are in group housing with staff and social services integrated there as well:

    Downstairs in the two-storey block is a bright communal living and dining area, a spotless kitchen, a gym room and a sauna (in Finland, saunas are basically obligatory). Upstairs is where the 21 tenants, men and women, most under 30, live.

    It is important that they are tenants: each has a contract, pays rent and (if they need to) applies for housing benefit. That, after all, is all part of having a home – and part of a housing policy that has now made Finland the only EU country where homelessness is falling.




    It's also easier in a place like Finland because the government owns most of the land:

    And there, the Finnish capital is fortunate. Helsinki owns 60,000 social housing units; one in seven residents live in city-owned housing. It also owns 70% of the land within the city limits, runs its own construction company, and has a current target of building 7,000 more new homes – of all categories – a year.

    In each new district, the city maintains a strict housing mix to limit social segregation: 25% social housing, 30% subsidised purchase, and 45% private sector. Helsinki also insists on no visible external differences between private and public housing stock, and sets no maximum income ceiling on its social housing tenants.

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    “We own much of the land, we have a zoning monopoly, we run our own construction company,” says Riikka Karjalainen, senior planning officer. “That helped a lot with Housing First because simply, there is no way you will eradicate homelessness without a serious, big-picture housing policy.”

    It's also very expensive in terms of people. For example, at this location, you have 7 staff for 21 tenants:

    At Rukkila, seven staff support 21 tenants. Assistant manager Saara Haapa says the work ranges from practical help navigating bureaucracy and getting education, training and work placements to activities including games, visits and learning – or re-learning – basic life skills such as cleaning and cooking.

    I'd be curious to see what the costs would add up to for US government agencies to buy up the land, build the housing, and staff up for approximately 500,000 homeless people. Oh and the Finnish homeless population that these help generally weren't actually homeless in the way we think of homelessness: Hardly any of the tenants come straight from the street, Haapa says, and those who do can take time to adjust to living indoors.

    That said, it's a lot like the Community First model in Austin. Which works to some degree, but many people on the streets aren't interested for various reasons (don't want to follow the rules, mental illness, etc).
     
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    The difference is that a fictional super hero protagonist doesn't exist anywhere on earth. This program does exist on earth.

    It is possible on this planet.
     
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    You're arguing with nobody brother man, all your going to get is nonsensical pop-culture referencing responses lol

    I agree with you, it's a good idea to look to the successes of other fellow countries, hopefully, we can be inspired, we can learn, and grow within our own society where possible.
     
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    Utah did this too, they found that homeless people cost them more than 12k per year, and to give them an apartment and services to get them a job and integrated was only 11k it was simply cheaper.

    DD
     
  8. Roc Paint

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    Just go to work and buy your own damn home
     
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    They can't - the money homes cost vs the amount people are paid is not equal.

    I bought my home for 300k 20 years ago, it is now worth over 1.2m - it is not reasonable for people out of college or even 10 years out to get a 1.2m home.....this is my 2nd home.

    My first one was 135k and it is now worth 600k - no one right out of college can buy a 600k home.....

    Houses have gone up, but pay has not.

    DD
     
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    Not everybody can work the pole to "pay for their tuition"
     
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    I thought a large part of the problem in Austin was the Nimbys didn't want converted hotel/motels in their area?

    I know that actual services (job-training, counseling, etc) are always an issue, along with the funding.
     
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    I’ll bet skid row is still skid row
    They’ll never address the underlying issues of homelessness in Los Angeles

    You can pretend it’s solved too and that they’re Finland
    Nah . It’s LA , where Tupac wrote a song about living and dying
    @Os Trigonum
     
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    We can’t generalize work either
    If you draw cartoons of kids at the amusement park
    Chances are high you can’t live in a gated community in Austin overlooking the lake .
     
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    I understand the US is having lots of problems
    But It’s better than Finland
    What’s the diversity of race and culture there ?
     
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    Los Angeles will have a five billion dollar football stadium in Inglewood before they get like 1/5 of skid row fixed


    Oh wait
     
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    Great but the homeless in LA get access to heroine, fentanyl and crack. And the city government and state ain’t stopping it
     
  18. Major

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    That's certainly another big problem. But Community First is a group of tiny homes built to create a community. The residents are required to pay rent, follow rules, etc - kind of like the Finnish model. But many homeless people don't want to live there due to the rules/rent/being away from the streets/mental health/etc.

    The NIMBY hotel problem is also a major issue and was a big problem with the proposition that passed. While it said "get rid of the homeless", it didn't offer any solutions or funding to actually do that.
     
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  19. Roc Paint

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    Baby steps
     
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    I think you would be surprised what homeless people are capable of
     

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