Breaking 1-06-21: MAGA terrorist attack on Capitol

They aren't embarrassed, since that would require integrity and being guided by right versus wrong. They instead are driven by political purpose. So they will continue to defend the indefensible.

 

Yes... they were very different... Pearl Harbor and 9/11 were not incited by a sitting president trying to reverse an election and then led and carried out his supporters. Instead Pearl Harbor and 9/11 were planned and carried out by enemies of the United States. Well, perhaps that last one was not a difference.

 

Here's ted cruz and tucker carlson defending the January 6 insurrection...

 

Bro, that prez tried to call in the national guard in the days before and bowser said no multiple times. That would have avoided everything. He said to peacefully march and let their voices be heard. Trump was more at fault for not stopping the summer of love riots sooner. You guys are brainwashed over this jan 6 stuff. 9/11 was a million times worse.

 

Like having a **** ton of National Guardsman on the perimeter, something that the POTUS does control?

Trump did not "order" his supporters to attack the Capitol, but he certainly encouraged them to march to the Capitol and "fight like hell" to preserve our democracy against a "fraudulent" election. Now you can say Trump did not mean for his supporters to storm and terrorize the Capitol, but he sure as **** did not try to intervene when they did. No "oh ****, I did not mean that" moments. Just 3 hours of watching it on the tube, before Mike Pence calls in the National Guard and Trump releases a video about how much he loves his terrorist supporters but that they should go home now since the National Guard are on their way to **** them up.

Any guesses how many times Trump has visited his "loved" supporters, incarcerated in DC jails?

 

This is a lie.

https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-con...ance-for-the-DC-National-Guard-Jan-4-2021.pdf

The acting Secretary of Defense put in charge of the pentagon as a lame duck sent this memo out with orders to the National Guard on January 4th …PRETTY CLEARLY ordering them to only respond if Chris Miller (Trump) allows it, and at no time are they to actually do anything. This is a power grab from Chris Miller overruling the District Mayor’s control of the national guard, and giving them a stand down order which is why they didn’t act until Pence went around Trump and used his power with the Pentagon to finally send in the National Guard.

It’s there in black and white and you guys continue to lie about January 6th.

Was 9/11 worse… yes. The body toll. The damage that took years to clean up. Etc etc… yes 9/11 was horrible.

Did 9/11 have anything to do with overthrowing our democracy to install an unelected autocrat above the will of the people?? No. 9/11 was about Bin Laden wanting US troops out of Saudi holy land, and was him enacting a fundamentalist reckoning on the West for being infidels.

You are judging The Super Bowl vs The Masters. Two different sports. Both important. Stop trying to play little games here spreading lies in the meantime to try and downplay January 6 so your team can have a better chance at winning house seats in 2022 so that you have a better chance at overturning the election in the House and State level in 2025 if Trump loses again in 2024.

 

I’ll just say it one last time.

If you can’t see, or are unwilling to acknowledge, the chasm between the actions of Hillary and her supporters and Trump and his supporters, that says everything I need to know.

As to Jan 6 and your comment that “it was the best they could hope for”, that also says a lot. That you can’t or are unwilling to see that it is utter luck and happenstance that some trumper didn’t come in with an assault rifle, explosive, or even a handgun and open fire, which would have triggered return fire. If you think Trumpers would never have done that, you haven’t been paying attention. That you can’t acknowledge it ispure luck that the capitol police did not open fire beyond Babbit and kill multiple attackers in the crowd. (Frankly, I think they didn’t because the they knew they were outnumbered and potentially outgunned). Any of those scenarios could easily have happened and made the terrible day worse, and scenarios involving gunfire or explosives could have literally altered the course of this country. But I suppose that’s just fantasy land and conjecture to you and others minimizing Jan 6.

 

I don't know where you get your news (actually, I do: trump, fox, newsmax, and facebook), but those claims were both debunked and have been part of investigations into the January 6 insurrection...

Fact check: Trump repeats false claim that Pelosi rejected request for National Guard ahead of Jan. 6

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-request-10000-guard-troops-jan-6/8929215002/

Furthermore, trump's DOD took hours to send national guard troops on January 6...

DOD Took Hours To Approve National Guard Request During Capitol Riot, Commander Says

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/03/9732...guard-request-during-capitol-riot-commander-s

 

Could ted cruz be any more pathetic?

 

But we do know what trump was doing on January 6...

Trump 'Gleefully' Viewed Jan. 6 Insurrection on TV, 'Hitting Rewind' to Watch Again, Former Aide Says

https://people.com/politics/trump-v...-hitting-rewind-watch-again-former-aide-says/

 

I didn't mention pelosi but nice tangent. There are signed documents where bowser declined help from any outside agency. It's fine. We disagree. This wasn't a life changing day for me.

 

CNN soy boy marvels at Tucker doing something his network never would

 

Of course you didn't think January 6 was a life changing day for you... simply a tour group gone amuck. No biggie.

 

I believe I asked three questions. You didn't answer any of them. As I stated, rioting and violent protesting are unacceptable.

 

It was a riot and I denounce it. I would guess Jan 6 wasn't a life changing day for the majority of Americans. Will you always remember where you were on Jan 6? But I will admit that I am more of a basketball fan than a political person by a mile.

 

Good? I'm glad I was able to fully inform you that to me questioning the outcome of an election is the same as questioning the outcome of an election.

You are not following it to the conclusion though. One, it isn't luck that someone didn't come in with an assault rifle or explosive. People make choices. No one chose to come in with those weapons. It isn't like a random number generator decided what everyone was armed with when they came through the door. There was no group that was coming in with bombs that made a wrong turn on their way to Washington due to a faulty GPS. These are the people that rioted, and they came with what they were armed with. It also isn't luck that the Capitol Police didn't open fire, they chose that path as well, most likely because it would be very strange to respond to a riot by opening fire on the crowd. Did you notice that has not been the response to riots any time recently? Finally, even if either of those things happened (and this is the most important part) it would not have changed the outcome of the election. As I said above, the only thing they could hope to accomplish was delaying the certification for the course of the riot. Unless you, like the Trumpers, believe they were going to find massive evidence of election fraud if only they had one more day to look, certifying the results a few hours later changes nothing. Scenarios involving gunfire or explosives would have been worse in that more people would have been killed, but the final outcome in terms of the government functioning moving forward would have been the same.

 

Hillary said she think didn't lose the election, yet she conceded the night of the election. trump says he didn't think he lost the election, claimed there were illegal votes, ordered people to investigate, pressured local officials to "find" additional votes, pressured people to not certify the results, incited supporters to attack the capital, and did not ever concede but to this day continually complains the election was rigged and people voted illegally. And yet you see no difference?

And if the insurrection even delayed certification of the election by one hour... it impacted American democracy and the peaceful transfer of power that is a key component to American democracy. And if Democrats with weapons were to attack the capital in 2024 it would be just as wrong, just as much an attack on American democracy.