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Joe Biden's America

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by SuraGotMadHops, May 12, 2021.

  1. tinman

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    Why are these dropouts complaining about Elon ?
    They are too lazy to flip burgers so they stay home all day and watch cable news and get triggered by old bugs bunny cartoons
    I know they failed Spanish cause they made up this word LatinX
     
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    Go back to work if you work dude. You ain't funny.
     
  3. NewRoxFan

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    "Anecdotally". You mean, you have no source that supports your statement that 4.5 million Americans left their jobs because of mandates (instead, its because they want to get better paying jobs),
     
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    "The Great Resignation" has nothing to do with mandates. I've heard a grand total of 1 person I know tell me he's looking because his job is requiring him to get a shot because he's in a cube right next to 50 other cubes with people in them that want to stay healthy.

    This all started with the lockdown adjusting people's work habits, and breaking them out of their comfort zone. Also it's because in the Summer of 2020 many companies had temporary pay cuts or laid off workers when they really didn't need to, and then there was a scramble to rehire. This happened all around corporate America, and companies are still trying to rehire, and employees who saw how much they could be making in other jobs with better environments started the process of jumping ship.

    The labor shortage in min wage jobs is a whole other story, and not part of the Great Resignation. There are industries that saw a boom in the pandemic such as construction where some of those industries were and are still needing labor jobs, but are able to pay way more than Dairy Queen or to be a cook at Landrys. There's also the disruption of Amazon who is siphoning up workers in the millions from the restaurant industry.

    So as usual your posts here lack any nuance, and speak to a very ill informed point of view often skewing reality to fit a political narrative. The Trump administration would have been forced to have some vaccine mandates as well. The pressure for those mandates actually comes from the bottom up more than top down which isn't what you think. It's a math equation where business leaders are making a decision based on what decision will actually lead to more workers leaving my company for a better/safer job which keeps my business running more profitable.

    So "anecdotally" your experience in Corporate America seems to be coming more from what FoxNews is telling you about Corporate America.... Also.... FoxNews HAS A VACCINE MANDATE.
     
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    FoxNews has a vaccine mandate because they are required to operating in stalinist NYC.

    We lost dozens where I work because they refused the jab, deadline was this week.

    The combination of lockdowns and enhanced subsidies for not working has broken the economy. You can see it everywhere with supply chain problems and an inability to find workers. Service is crap everywhere.

    Vaccine mandates just add fuel to the resignation fire, but I agree they aren't the sole reason.
     
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    More untruths, this time supported only by the anecdotal "in my company dozens have...". This time with the added "lockdowns and enhanced subsidies breaking the economy." Supply chain problems are problems, but they started before this administration and continue in part because demand has increased faster that SC can keep up. And "service is crap everywhere"? No clue to what that means and how mandates ties in.

    Again, unless you can come up with anything more than sketchy anecdotal evidence people will continue to treat your posts with derision.
     
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    hahahahahahahaha
     
  8. dobro1229

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    You didn't address the fact that these decisions are made because of a calculus by business leaders that they would lose more workers without a mandate. Why does your point of view completely discount the vast majority of people who want to work somewhere safe? This is also a product of the increase in right to work states where there's very little contractual obligations on the side of the worker as well. They have been empowered by right to work as well, and just leave your company if they don't feel safe. Maybe the problem isn't mandates... and it actually is a F-ing virus that has killed nearly a million Americans. Why is this even political to people like yourself?

    Also you didn't address the fact that, while they would be coy about it, the Trump administration would have been forced to also do mandates for some government jobs. There's just no way they would have allowed entire naval crews to get taken out of function because of Covid. Can you imagine what would happen if a US navy vessel helping stabilize the Strait of Hormuz would have had a crew that had only 10% of their crew vaccinated and some sailors brought covid onto that ship after some R&R?

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    Also your point about Supply Chain issues due to Democratic policies in the US makes no sense. There are supply chain issues BECAUSE OF IMPORTS. Meaning... those workers and manufacturers have nothing to do with America. Meaning... Joe Biden does not tell them what to do about jack. Are you blaming CHINESE lockdowns for our economic and supply chain issues???... that actually makes some sense, but you are spewing this as a talking point against US vaccine mandates.... which makes ZERO sense.
     
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    Broken the economy?

    The economy is doing better than the previous 4 years at just about every metric, how is it broken?

    If the economy was actually broken there would not be an inability to find workers.

    Service is crap? When has service not been crap in the last 10 years.
     
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    I'm anti ILLEGAL immigration. I'm pro legal immigration. Come one and come all to the land of opportunity, as long as you do it legally.
     
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    "President Trump entered the White House with the goal of reducing legal immigration by 63 percent. Trump was wildly successful in reducing legal immigration. By November 2020, the Trump administration reduced the number of green cards issued to people abroad by at least 418,453 and the number of non‐immigrant visas by at least 11,178,668 during his first term through November 2020. President Trump also entered the White House with the goal of eliminating illegal immigration but Trump oversaw a virtual collapse in interior immigration enforcement and the stabilization of the illegal immigrant population. Thus, Trump succeeded in reduce legal immigration and failed to eliminate illegal immigration."

    https://www.cato.org/blog/president...gration-he-did-not-reduce-illegal-immigration
     
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    Walls would help.
     
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    Increasing penalties and/or adding jail time for companies that hire them would really help.
     
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    Trump is anti-legal immigration. His impact on legal immigration is many orders of magnitude greater than a small increase in passport renewal fees.
     
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    You're homogenizing a bunch of different issues here. I said I'M anti-illegal immigration. How Trump (or Biden) dealt with legal immigration standards or procedures is a separate issue. Passport fees do not really affect the legal or illegal immigration processes or screening. U.S. Passport fees affect U.S. Citizens only, so any immigrants dealing with passport fees already have the immigration procedure fully behind them.
     
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    Well said, @Major. Biden hasn't caused this inflation, in my opinion, but he has to deal with it happening during his first year in office. How Fed Chairman Jerome Powell, recently reappointed by the President, handles it will reflect directly on him. If Powell fumbles dealing with what appears to be a temporary inflationary problem by "attacking" it with a heavy hand, it could damage the economy and also damage Biden politically. It's a tightrope. Let's hope those involved in keeping it under control don't fall off. A lot is at stake.
     
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