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Breaking 1-06-21: MAGA terrorist attack on Capitol

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by RESINator, Jan 6, 2021.

  1. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Yes, probation for just walking around where you are not supposed to while wearing body armor and a knife and not hurting anyone or breaking anything seems pretty much in line with a normal sentence.
     
  2. deb4rockets

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    LMAO at your nonsense. I suppose breaking into the Capitol is just walking around where you are not supposed to. You really love to downplay their intentions. You can shoot and kill a man breaking into your home dressed in body armor and carrying a knife in Texas.
     
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  3. superfob

    superfob Mommy WOW! I'm a Big Kid now.

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    Those guys picked a weird date and place to walk around where they weren't supposed to.
     
  4. Rashmon

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    Get ready to scroll...

    Capitol Breach Cases

    Search "weapon"
     
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  6. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    To be fair, you can shoot a guy wearing a 3 piece suit and carrying a bag of marshmallows who breaks into your house.
     
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  7. deb4rockets

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    Exactly. Point is, those people who stormed through barricades, cops, broke through windows, and scaled the Capitol were no less dangerous than someone breaking into your home.
     
  8. Commodore

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  9. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Gee... what a surprise, the would be kidnappers have been using 'entrapment' as their defense since day one.
     
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  10. NewRoxFan

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    Always enjoy the people commodore gets his info from (and invariably appear on fox news). Like this one... a former pool player (seriously) who now writes for the federalist (of course) on things like antivaxxing, and how the January 6 insurrectionists were actually victims of police misconduct, and it was really the FBI that was at fault for the plot to kidnap Governor Whitmer (which she says was really a "dry run" for the FBI plot for January 6).

    Again, this is the type of stuff commodore believes. All in support of trump.
     
  11. fchowd0311

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    Curious why you are silent over the past 2 decades of actual entrapment cases by the fbi on brown Muslim citizens and immigrants in the name of public facing to show they are doing something about "the war on terror"?

    Lol why do I even ask. I exactly know why you don't care about that type of actual entrapment. The victims are people you don't like.
     
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  12. Os Trigonum

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    Biden retreats, will shield some Trump January 6 documents

    https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2021/1...shield-some-trump-january-6-documents-n438168

    excerpt:

    I think the second reason that Biden’s team is citing is the one that really drove this development. They are citing concerns over executive privilege. Team Biden has never shown anything that would suggest he gives two hoots for Donald Trump’s executive privilege, but it doesn’t require any great stretch of the imagination to guess that he’s quite concerned about his own. This is something that I wrote about at length back in October, advising Joe Biden to “be careful what you wish for.”

    Eliminating most vestiges of executive privilege just to “own the cons” or create trouble for the Bad Orange Man might sound like fun right now, but it would also set a precedent that Biden could soon come to regret. Biden’s people can read the polls just as well as anyone else and they are no doubt aware that the GOP could very well take back the majority in one or both chambers of Congress next November. And if that happens, with executive privilege being largely a thing of the past, just imagine what sort of committees might be formed in January of 2023 and what they might choose to investigate.

    Perhaps Biden has realized that such a committee might suddenly demand any and all communications between Joe and Hunter Biden or Hunter’s partners. Might there be some juicy information in there about large sums of cash arriving from China and whether or not “the Big Guy” got a piece of the action? Were there any private discussions taking place concerning how they should deal with the Tara Reade situation? What sort of advice was Biden privately receiving about the hasty withdrawal from Afghanistan and were there any deals made with the Taliban that we didn’t hear about?

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    I guess republicans have officially embraced the insurrection

     
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    I would support making her a victim if they correctly identified what she was a victim of:

    Right wing media and Donald Trump brainwashing.
     
  18. jo mama

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    she was not only an insurrectionist traitor who violated the oath she took when she joined the military, but also a psychopath, a cheater and a stalker. this is the person trump and his cult want to make into a martyr. wow.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/ashli-babbitt-martyr-her-past-051341308.html

    The first time Celeste Norris laid eyes on Ashli Babbitt, the future insurrectionist had just rammed her vehicle three times with an SUV and was pounding on the window, challenging her to a fight.

    Norris says the bad blood between them began in 2015, when Babbitt engaged in a monthslong extramarital affair with Norris’ longtime live-in boyfriend. When she learned of the relationship, Norris called Babbitt’s husband and told him she was cheating.

    “She pulls up yelling and screaming,” Norris said in an exclusive interview with The Associated Press, recounting the July 29, 2016, road-rage incident in Prince Frederick, Maryland. “It took me a good 30 seconds to figure out who she was. … Just all sorts of expletives, telling me to get out of the car, that she was going to beat my ass.”


    Terrified and confused, Norris dialed 911 and waited for law enforcement. Babbitt was later charged with numerous misdemeanors.

    The attack on Norris is an example of erratic and sometimes threatening behavior by Babbitt, who was shot by a police officer while at the vanguard of the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol. Former President Donald Trump and his supporters have sought to portray her as a righteous martyr who was unjustly killed.

    Trump has called her “an incredible person” and he even taped a posthumous birthday greeting to her in October. Trump has also demanded the Justice Department reinvestigate Babbitt’s death, though the officer who shot her was cleared of any wrongdoing by two prior federal investigations.

    But the life of the Air Force veteran from California, who died while wearing a Trump campaign flag wrapped around her shoulders like a cape, is far more complicated than the heroic portrait presented by Trump and his allies.

    In the months before her death, Babbitt had become consumed by pro-Trump conspiracy theories and posted angry screeds on social media. She also had a history of making violent threats.

    Babbitt, 35, was fatally shot while attempting to climb through the broken window of a barricaded door leading to the Speaker’s Lobby inside the Capitol, where police officers were evacuating members of Congress from the mob supporting Trump’s false claim that the 2020 presidential election was stolen. She was one of five people who died during or immediately after the riot, including a Capitol Police officer.

    On social media, Babbitt identified as a Libertarian and ardent supporter of the Second Amendment. Her posts included videos of profane rants against Democrats, COVID-19 mask mandates and illegal immigration.

    Her Twitter account, which was taken down after her death, was rife with references to the QAnon conspiracy theory, which centers on the baseless belief that Trump has secretly battled deep-state enemies and a cabal of Satan-worshiping cannibals that includes prominent Democrats who operate a child sex trafficking ring.

    “Nothing will stop us,” Babbitt tweeted Jan. 5. “They can try and try and try but the storm is here and it is descending upon DC in less than 24 hours....dark to light!”


    Among Q followers, “The Storm” refers to the predicted day Trump would finally unmask the pedophile cabal, arrest and execute those deemed traitors and restore America to greatness.

    Trump has repeatedly insisted Babbitt was murdered, and she has achieved martyr status among Trump supporters. Her name and likeness now appear on T-shirts and flags at pro-Trump rallies.

    A Maryland personal injury lawyer representing Babbitt’s husband, Aaron Babbitt, has raised $375,000 through a Christian crowdfunding site and has threatened to file a lawsuit against the Capitol Police.

    Key to that wrongful death claim is the contention that Babbitt, a former military police officer who was 5-foot-2 and weighed 115 pounds, would have peacefully surrendered had Capitol officers attempted to arrest her.

    Aaron Babbitt declined to comment in October when a reporter knocked on the door of the San Diego apartment he shared with Ashli and another woman. In a June interview with Tucker Carlson of Fox News, Babbitt said he has been sickened by some of what he has seen written about his deceased wife.

    “There’s never been a person who Ashli ran across in her daily life that didn’t love her,” said Babbitt, 40.

    That is not how Norris felt about her.

    Court records involving the violent 2016 confrontation between Babbitt and Norris have previously been reported by media outlets, including the AP. But Norris, now 39, agreed to speak about it publicly for the first time in an interview with the AP and shared previously unreported details. She also provided documents and photos from the crash scene to support her account.

    Norris was in a six-year relationship with Aaron Babbitt when she said she learned he was cheating on her with a married co-worker from his job as a security guard at a nuclear power plant near the Chesapeake Bay. She eventually found out the other woman was Ashli McEntee, who at the time went by the last name of her then-husband.

    “He was telling me about this foulmouthed chick that’s on his shift, blah, blah, blah,” Norris recounted. “Come to find out a few months later ... they were basically having this relationship while they were at work.”

    When she learned of the affair, she reached out to Babbitt’s husband, Timothy McEntee.

    “You know, I was trying to keep my home life together,” she said.

    Norris said she tried for a few months to salvage her relationship with Aaron Babbitt before finally deciding to move out of their house. Within days, Norris said, Ashli moved in.

    A few weeks later, Norris was waiting at a stop sign in Prince Frederick, about an hour southeast of Washington, D.C., when she says a white Ford Explorer passed her going the other direction.

    Norris saw the SUV pulling a U-turn before speeding up behind her. She recounts that the SUV’s driver began swerving erratically, laying on the horn and attempting to pass a Chevrolet Suburban that was in between them on the narrow two-lane road.

    When the driver of the Chevy pulled over, Norris said the white Ford SUV accelerated and rammed into her rear bumper. She said the SUV rammed her a second time and then a third, all while the vehicles continued to roll down the road.


    After Norris dialed 911, an emergency dispatcher advised her to pull over to the shoulder and stop. As she waited for help, Babbitt got out of her vehicle and came up to Norris’ driver’s-side window, banging on the glass.

    In the weeks after the incident, Norris said, Babbitt falsely claimed to authorities that the collisions had occurred when Norris repeatedly backed her vehicle into Babbitt’s SUV. But when the case went to trial, Norris said, Babbitt changed her story, admitting under oath that she had collided with Norris’ vehicle but portraying it as an accident.

    No transcript from the hearing was available, but Norris said the lawyer defending Babbitt made repeated references to her employment at the local nuclear power plant and years of military service, which included deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan. Babbitt served on active duty with the U.S. Air Force, and then in the reserves and the Air National Guard until 2016. A judge acquitted Babbitt on the criminal charges.

    In February 2017, records show Norris asked for and received a second peace order against Ashli Babbitt, citing ongoing harassment and stalking. In a handwritten petition, Norris says that Babbitt had recently followed her home from work and that she had also received repeated calls in the middle of the night from an unlisted number.

    “I lived in fear because I didn’t know what she was capable of,” Norris told the AP. “I was constantly looking over my shoulder.”
     
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    So O's...

    How do you view Ashley??? Is she a Hero or Martyr? Is she a criminal or traitor? I would like to get your view...

    T_Man
     
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    pretty funny no one seems to have clicked on the link

    My view? pretty indifferent. I think she made a tragic mistake and paid for it with her life. But it was her own choice to be there and there's always a risk in a mob situation that things will go south in a hurry. I don't see her as a martyr but that's probably because I'm not a Trumpian. I don't see her as a traitor because I'm not a progressive libby. I do think her death should have warranted a public examination and a similar treatment both in the press and legally to that of other police shootings. I think the character background in the AP piece published today is no more but also no less important than the backgrounds of other victims of police (and other) shootings/killings.
     
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