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Emotional Intelligence and Other Qualities Related to Winning

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by backwardhead, Jan 1, 2022.

  1. backwardhead

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    Outside of the box score I've been trying to understand what I'm seeing when I watch these Rockets.

    One reason I love basketball is that it's a lot like jazz. There's a chemistry needed to win that seems to be really unquantifiable. A chemistry that turns the team into something greater than the sum of its parts. There are players, and even coaches, that make for greater chemistry and some who steal from it.

    Watching this group of Rockets I can't help but wonder what we've got? Who are the players that have that "something" that might not be all-star talent but brings the 5 together in a way that the collective talent transcends it's individual parts.

    Right now, with a very small sample size (I've only been able to watch 6 games or so-I listen mostly), I'd put Sengun on the "has it" side and CWood on the "doesn't have it" side. I'm not suggesting Sengun is a better player, just has more potential to create on the court chemistry than Wood. I think EG has it obviously (maybe) but I'm going to put him on the list of "yesterdays" Rockets.

    But what is "it"? And do you see any of these players with "it"? And how does a general manager scout for "it"?

    I think of "it" as a players emotional intelligence within the game but maybe it's something different. I assume all of the long time Rocket fans will agree that Luis Scola had it. As did Shane Battier, Mario Elie, etc etc etc.

    Who do you see on this team that you think has it? Who doesn't? And are there any historic Rockets you wish we could add the modern day version of?
     
  2. napalm06

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    If I were a scout or GM, I say it is IQ. Emotional IQ a little maybe, but guys like Kobe and Jordan were not high EQ, nor was young Hakeem.

    IQ is what separates Paul from Westbrook, Hakeem from Thabeet, Wade from Andrew Wiggins, Jokic from Cauley Stein, PJ Tucker from Kent Bazemore, Steph Curry from Kyrie Irving, Shaq from Dwight, etc, in a league where everyone is athletic.

    It's a fast game and your brain needs to be telling you to be in all of the right spots and find the right guys at the right time. You have to see in patterns, like jazz.

    High IQ players understand that non glamorous things like box outs, turnovers, and positioning are what win and lose games just as much as anything else, so they are naturally inclined to do it and demand it from other guys. People call this magic words like "motor" and "energy" but I think it's just understanding the game holistically.

    The jury is out on most of our roster. These are not cerebral students of the game as far as I can tell. Wood, Green, Porter, just not sure. Sengun and Tate appear have that student mentality.

    In fact I'd argue that Harden is a sort of hybrid version, he knows the game but willfully chooses times to disengage from the team flow or switch off his brain at inopportune times. McGrady did the same.
     
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  3. Os Trigonum

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    good thread. I'd agree that Tate and Sengun seem to have that intangible already, I hope they keep developing. I'm not sure on the others either. Not terribly impressed with Wood tbh, kinda hoping we're able to move him and move on before the trade deadline
     
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    I agree we the 3 mention so far, Sengun, Tate, EG.

    Maybe Nwaba?
     
  5. vator

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    I personally think Josh Christopher has shown a maturity and understanding of the game that I was not expecting from him so soon. He has intangibles as in doing the little things that don’t always necessarily show up in a box score and plays hard. Winning plays. He just turned 20 so there is a lot of potential there.
     
  6. HP3

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    Yea, honestly I've been really proud and impressed with how far he has come along.
     
  7. DeBeards

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    yup, the emotional intelligence pretty critical both to jazz soloists and ballers.
    imho, there are other four players on this team have "it", besides Sengun:
    Tate
    JayGup
    GaryBird
    KMj (i can see a little bit)
    as to others, i either not sure for now or i dun't see they have "it".

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    btw, when op comparing jazz to bball, a distinction between jazz and bball pops up into my mind...
    in jazz, no matter it is small groups or minimal arrangements, most of the piece was improvised, i mean usually live jazz dun't need any conductors help them (rehearsal) in comparison with other music genres;
    but professional basketball different, it can't go without CONDUCTORS (who bringing players together to practice, during routine film sessions elaborating things await to improve. designing plays etc).
     
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    Tate the drums, the heartbeat of the band.

    Bass has to be a foundation piece, the constant that keeps the unit moving. Sengun?

    Horn section is like Mathews, Brooks, Martin, Nwaba. Mathews/Brooks used to play to the line outside for tips.

    Soloists are Green/Porter. Gordon the more famous musician that kinda shows up when he wants to and everyone loves it.

    Piano is... Christopher maybe? Can do a little bit of everything a little bass, some chords, even a solo here and there.

    Christian Wood is the a-hole that shows up to the gig late and tries to play bass solos for 45 minutes. Tries to scat and nobody likes it.

    Silas is the club owner who is too nice to tell some guys to stfu.

    Add a former rocket Hakeem duh.
     
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    Vernon Maxwell strongly disagrees.
     
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    Sengun has it, I think we're just discovering how much room he has for improvement with off court training. His explosiveness can improve drastically compared to other prospects his age. He is also still letting his frustration turn into fouls, but I prefer players who have that kind of passion. Can be channeled. He has to learn a lot this season: English, the NBA, America, media, better training/eating habits. He's well ahead of schedule, we would have been ecstatic for him to be this good in his second season, nevermind less than halfway into his rookie campaign. I think it will be impossible to keep him off the floor next season for 25+ teams.

    Green imo is special and we are really seeing him grow in front of our eyes. To some extent it reminds me of MJ and Kobe's arrival in the NBA, a roster where the vets he has to respect are not that good and don't understand winning all that well. I think we're going to see a point where he just forces himself into more possessions and he will take off from there. We've taken his and Sengun's development very steadily so far, which is not a bad thing. KPJ needs a lot of work and I'm fine with his development but I think we should move him to a 6th man role where he is not sharing a backcourt with a natural scorer. To me eyes, Green undeniably has magic, I've seen him catch fire for short stretches in a way that's not common and especially in situations where we desperately need a basket. I also think people are severely underrating his ability to just put on muscle, it will be gradual but looks like he can carry it. Will definitely help him absorb contact and finish on drives, help him hold his ground on defense. It wouldn't hurt to surround him with 4 shooters more often.

    JC, Garuba, Tate and KJ are long term high potential role players. I feel like one of these guys could become an All Star in 3+ years.
     
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  13. DaDakota

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    Maturity, or emotional IQ - good call and exactly what I have been talking about - we are just really young and when other teams do the veteran tricks, we fall for them because we are immature.

    So, for me, who is already mentally ready to win in the NBA.

    1. Tate
    2. Ego
    3. Augustine
    4. Theis

    Guys who look like they will have it
    1. Sengun
    2. Christopher
    3. Mathews
    4. Brooks
    5. Green
    6. Kenyon M. Jr.


    Guys who are firmly in the maybe but really need it category.
    1. Kevin Porter Jr
    2. Wood
    3. Nwaba

    Realize that some of the guys in the first category, may be mature - but are not skilled enough to really be winners, Theis and Augustine for example.

    Our main thing is maturity, we need it.

    DD
     
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    I must have missed that
     
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    I’ve been saying for years, none of these basketball qualities matter if you’re not properly hydrated
     
  16. Os Trigonum

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    so true. I sense a thread bump coming up
     
  17. ThatBoyNick

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    Silas has it
     
  18. NewAge

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    In b4 the millennials come-in and declare all this BoomerBulshit(R) and make us all run ANALytics drills.
     
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  19. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Just tell them it is mental health, they will be on board for that.

    It is all about the acceptable catch phrases.

    DD
     
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    I.D.I.O.T.
     
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