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Law and order teen charged with murder

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Carl Herrera, Aug 26, 2020.

  1. NewRoxFan

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    Perhaps, but seems another effort to shift blame away from republicans/conservatives/trump supporters who embraced rittenhouse as a hero.
     
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  2. NewRoxFan

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    But yea, its Democrats that keep this new republican hero in the spotlight...

     
  3. jiggyfly

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    That is actually scary.

    WTF is wrong with these people.
     
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    That's disturbing indeed.

    How can this happen? This part of the article makes me wonder how he got sentenced 1 day.

    "The fact that the crash was caused due to improperly functioning brakes ultimately points to the negligence of the truck company Aguilera-Mederos was driving for, Castellano 03 Trucking LLC, based in Houston, Texas. Denver’s ABC 7 reported in April 2019 that now inactive records from the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration had shown there were 19 vehicle inspections that resulted in 30 violations at the company over the two years prior to the crash."

    Sounds like he is a victim himself.
     
  6. FrontRunner

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    Inadequate counsel?

    Worth noting:

    Josh McCutcheon, who caught the crash on video, told CNN sister network HLN he had never seen such devastation. He’s doing fine now, he said, but he was “startled and in shock” when he saw the deadly pileup, the explosions and the plumes of smoke.

    “Oh, my God,” he shouted when it happened.

    McCutcheon praised a “good Samaritan” for pulling people out of cars.

    “That’s a true hero,” he said of the man, who had been panhandling in the area.

    Darin Barton was panhandling near the scene when the crash happened. He told CNN affiliate KDVR that when the cab of the truck rolled over and flames ignited, he quickly dropped the sign he was holding and ran toward the cars.

    “It just caught on fire. And I just dropped my sign, took off running,” Barton said. “As soon as I (saw) flames, I headed under the bridge, grabbed three or four people out of a couple cars.”

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/27/us/colorado-crash-suspect/index.html
     
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  7. T_Man

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    Like I stated before.....

    The Copy Cats are coming...

    T_Man
     
  8. deb4rockets

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    Especially when they encourage it like this.

    "And when Kyle Rittenhouse came on stage he was presented to the crowd as someone who they should admire and model themselves after. Elijah Schaffer saying "I look up to you" and telling the audience “let Kyle be an example.”
     
  9. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    While the penalty clearly seems harsh, one of the points the prosecution brought up is that he passed to the opportunity to use 4 of the pull offs for 'runaway trucks'. He also was going 85 MPH down a mountain prior to his brakes failing.

    The Colorado DA is working to get the sentence reduced to 20-30 years and a hearing is scheduled for 01/13.
     
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    Why does this not shock me.......trump cult at its finest.
     
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  11. deb4rockets

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    To think a church sponsored this event is even more ironic. Any church that is OK with hate and violence towards others sounds more like a cult to me.
     
  12. jiggyfly

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    How do they know when his brakes failed?

    How do they know he was going 85 prior to his brakes failing and what does that have to do with the accident and sentencing?

    At worst this was manslaughter and not intentional so I don't see how 20 to 30 years is a reasonable sentence since it seems everybody thinks this was not intentional.
     
  14. Os Trigonum

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    mandatory sentencing. even the prosecutor is trying to get it reduced
     
  15. jiggyfly

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    Mandatory sentencing for what?

    Involuntary manslaughter?

    If that is even what it is?
     
  16. Os Trigonum

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    https://reason.com/2021/12/22/rogel...ed-a-plea-deal-so-he-got-110-years-in-prison/

    excerpt:

    Called the "trial penalty," prosecutors are known to pile on superfluous charges and threaten astronomical prison time unless the defendant agrees to plead guilty and save them the trouble of a trial. Should the defendant insist on his innocence, and should a jury disagree, he will likely receive a much more severe sentence for the same actions. The only difference is that he invoked his Sixth Amendment right.

    King's office declined to comment on the precise parameters of the deal she would've offered. But as I wrote last week, whatever it was wouldn't have come remotely close to 110 years.

    "Prosecutors vastly prefer for cases, almost always, to resolve through plea bargains. They're faster, and they're much more certain for the government," says Clark Neily, senior vice president for legal studies at the Cato Institute. "Jury trials by contrast are expensive, time consuming, and uncertain….What [prosecutors] will do oftentimes is to get very creative in bringing all of the charges that they can think of, basically to increase the defendant's exposure."

    That exposure then becomes a powerful bargaining chip against those facing time behind bars. Aguilera-Mederos took the gamble. He was charged with 42 counts and convicted on 27, resulting in the mandatory century-plus sentence.
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  17. NewRoxFan

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    Mandatory minimum sentencing was the excuse (and the different charges and sentencing could not be concurrent). Less certain if the CO courts allow a judge to modify.

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/controver...ed-truck-driver-responsible/story?id=81815543
     
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    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Man convicted in deadly I-70 truck crash gets 110 years (thedenverchannel.com)

    He was convicted of 27 counts out of 42 charged, including vehicular homicide, first degree assault, reckless driving, and careless driving. Four people were killed and 28 vehicles were damaged or caught on fire. Apparently, under Colorado law, every count requires consecutive sentencing, so even if he only got 1 year per count, that would still be 27 years. Vehicular homicide cases are always very fact specific and generally come down to how far (if at all) the defendant's driving varied from what the average reasonable person would do.
     
  19. jiggyfly

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    So the prosecutor did not give a **** and just threw the book at him to look tough.

    Thanks, I need to read all the ends and outs of the case.
     
  20. Os Trigonum

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    no
     

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