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Case for Trading Up to get Alperen Sengun

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Medicine N Music, Jul 3, 2021.

  1. hakeem94

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  2. dmoneybangbang

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    You suggested it, I have no idea if it’s in jest.

    That was clearly the case last tonight and isn’t the first time he has picked up fouls too quickly. I’ve never seen a coach just let a player foul out as a means of development.

    Sengun is slowing increasing his minutes and slowly taking on a larger role. The impatience and questioning of Sengun minutes is just tiresome. He’s a rookie and we aren’t even half way through the season.
     
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  3. dmoneybangbang

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    Likewise, some of yalls incessant whining about a rookies’ playing time is just sad.

    I almost wish Jeremy Lin was back on this team to drown out you Sengun Only Fans.

    Now post your gifs….
     
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  5. dmoneybangbang

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    That’s the gif for suggesting to increase his minutes by 50%?!?!
     
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    Heyyy, if you insist... :D
     
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    The Rockets should take him out in the first half as he gets his 3 fouls in 8 or so minutes.....but....in the 2nd half....let him foul out.

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  9. AlperenSengun

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    Yes, and the interesting thing is that assuming that he will play around 25 minutes, he won't foul out most games based on his fouling rate.

    And he risks the foul for little chance of a block or steal some times. Once he stops that he is good to go. This is my only real disappointment from him for now. He should have stopped it already.
     
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    The problem with fouls isn't just fouling out. Players tend to play hesitant defensively when they have 3-4 fouls because they don't want to pick up another one. That's why it's important to cut down the really dumb fouls on low percentage plays.

    When Sengun has a lot of fouls, you can see he becomes gun shy on defense.
     
  11. dmoneybangbang

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    This. He seemed to be in his head in the second half.
     
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    That's just not true, he's not slowly increasing his minutes and he's not slowly taking on a larger role. His role and his minutes have been stagnant all season. I understand why the coaching staff is doing it this way - they have shown a complete inability to make double big lineups work, so their solution is to avoid them as much as possible. The unfortunate side effect here is there is a ceiling on Senguns minutes, unless they bench Wood, which is obviously not happening.

    It's understandably frustrating when you compare him to his peers, he is clearly one of the top rookies in the class but isn't getting the opportunities that the other guys are. If you look at the top rookies by pretty much any impact/advanced metric (or anything besides per game counting stats) he is a standout, he's a star. And yet all these other rookies are getting to play 30-35 minutes and he's stuck at 18.
     
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    It seems like it is also the unfair (from his perspective) fouls he gets as well as the number of fouls. He needs to stop thinking about that and concentrate on what he can control and improve. And in terms of fouls just play his game, foul out if you will rather than holding back. He will learn during the process. That is the whole point of this season for him.
     
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    I acts think that his role has diminished in offense.
     
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    Just let sengun foul out. He has more benefit to the team with his game even if he does foul. As long as he prevent ez buckets and not give and 1 fouls.
     
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    https://www.espn.com/nba/player/splits/_/id/4871144/alperen-sengun

    He has been playing more minutes than the beginning of the season. You can go look at the game logs and see where his foul trouble happens.

    Sengun is great and promising but he also makes mistakes on both ends, more so defensively with the silly fouls. Maybe he’s the rookie child that the parents have decided to hold to a greater standard because they expect more. Maybe it’s a combination of things like mistakes, conditioning, and a role. They do run the offense through him more than Green, but maybe they want him to get his feet wet doing that from the bench.

    I just think from the entire team perspective, it’s not alarming or a big deal with Sengun’s current situation. This isn’t year 2, but not even through half way of his rookie season. It’s way too early for me to be convinced it’s a big deal.
     
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    He's at 18.8 on the season, and his monthly splits are 19.0, then 17.8, then 19.4? This month he's playing 0.6 minutes more than his season average, and 0.4 more than he did in October? Should I be glad that his minutes went down, and are now coming back up? Should I be glad about an extra 30 seconds per game?

    I wouldn't describe it as "alarming" either. I'm just a fan, I like the player, and I don't think he's being treated fairly compared to his peers. If you look at all the other rookies who are playing well, they're all playing 30+ minutes, and he can't even get 20.
     
  18. dmoneybangbang

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    Like I said look at the game logs, he has many games where instead of playing he is sitting due to foul trouble. He could be averaging closer to 22 MPG if he could lower the silly fouls.

    Which rookies are we talking about? Mobley is at 2.3 per 36. Franz Wagner is at 2.6 per 36.

    He’s a loose cannon out there!! ;)
     
  19. AlperenSengun

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    I look at the games where he fouled 3 times or less in December. He had 7 such games and totaled 139 minutes in those for 20 minutes a game.

    Sengun plays about 20 minutes when he does not foul. So his average when he fouls 4 and 5 times is a little less than 19. So basically he is rewarded a little more than 1 minute a game when he is not fouling.

    Sengun fouls and he should cut them down, especially the ones on low percentage plays but that is not the reason why he is not getting minutes. That is just the excuse for the fans who wants to justify his playing time. If you look at the logs you see it :).

    On the other hand, it is not a big deal. He gets maybe 5 minutes less than what he could play. But he does not finish games, he does not get the ball when he posts up as much as he should. All these combined are wasted time for development.
     
  20. dmoneybangbang

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    And he played games with 28 min, 25 min, 23 min and on the other end played games with 15 min. That’s quite a swing and why his averages are low.

    So why isn’t he getting minutes then? Unfortunately it’s team rockets and not team SenGOAT. There are mouths to feed and a trade deadline coming up.
     

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