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[Reason] Californians Learn That Raising Taxes on mariijuana Fuels Black Markets for Drugs

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  1. Os Trigonum

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    surprising

    https://reason.com/2021/12/28/californians-learn-that-raising-taxes-on-mar1juana-fuels-black-markets-for-drugs/

    Californians Learn That Raising Taxes on Mariijuana Fuels Black Markets for Drugs
    If only they would apply that lesson to other goods and services.
    SCOTT SHACKFORD | 12.28.2021 1:55 PM

    At the beginning of 2022, tax rates for mar1juana cultivated in California are set to increase, even though black market sales completely dominate the retail market in the Golden State.

    Experts estimate that about three-quarters of all mar1juana sales in California happen not through legal dispensaries, but through unlicensed vendors. California voters legalized the cultivation and sale of mar1juana for recreational use in 2016, but extremely high taxes and oppressive regulations have caused the rollout to be a disaster.

    The tax increase set to hit on New Year's Day is a prime example. California taxes the cultivation of mar1juana by weight. In the tax regulations that state lawmakers passed for cannabis in 2017, the cultivation tax rate was tied to inflation. When inflation rises, the cultivation tax will also automatically rise.

    Inflation rose in 2021, and not by a small amount. The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics calculates that consumer prices rose nationally 6.8 percent between November 2020 and November 2021. Because of California's law, cultivation taxes will rise 4.5 percent. For growers of fresh cannabis plants, the cultivation tax will jump from $1.35 an ounce to $1.41 an ounce. On top of the cultivation tax, the state charges a 15 percent excise tax, and the cities that allow dispensaries have their own local sales tax rates. A person attempting to legally buy mar1juana in California can expect the price to balloon between 35–50 percent through tax add-ons, depending on the city.

    This, obviously, will make it all the more difficult for legal vendors to compete with the black market. That the increase is happening anyway is absurd and should be seen as a warning against automatically tying any tax rate to inflation.

    Legal growers are rebelling, and some are reportedly talking about withholding their state taxes and demanding relief. They might actually have some leverage here, given the amount of energy that state and local law enforcement agencies are exerting by trying to shut down illegal grow operations. In October, Attorney General Rob Bonta bragged about a massive multi-agency operation that resulted in the eradication of 1.2 million illegally grown mar1juana plants. Does Bonta also want to start going after legal growers who are protesting the state's absurd tax rates?

    Before Bonta became California's attorney general, he was a Democratic assembly member representing the city of Alameda. Back then, he actually agreed with mar1juana vendors that the state's tax rates were way too high. In 2019, he introduced legislation that would have reduced the state's excise tax and temporarily eliminated the cultivation tax until 2022. It didn't make it out of the committee stage. So while Bonta may now complain that illegal growers are "cheating the state out of millions of tax dollars," he knows (or at least used to know) that California's own high taxes are the real culprit here.

    How bad are these mar1juana taxes and regulations? High enough to cause the Los Angeles Times editorial board to thoroughly grasp—at least in this case—that oppressive government controls are what cause black markets. The board's Sunday editorial column sounds at least partially like something we might run here at Reason, though we'd leave out the demands for "ramping up enforcement" (we'd also probably edit out the handwringing over the environmental impact of illegal grow operations, which all seems to be a talking point for progressives and liberals to convince themselves that these giant drug busts are somehow different from ones launched by drug war advocates over the past four decades):

    California can emerge from this mar1juana mayhem by flipping the incentives. It's too easy and profitable to remain in the black market and too onerous and expensive to join the legal one. By easing licensing procedures or reducing taxes temporarily, and ramping up enforcement and penalties for illegal operators, the state has a better chance of coaxing fence-sitting operators to get licensed.…

    Far too many cities and counties still ban cannabis businesses. Proposition 64 guarantees that right, which is why some advocates are floating the idea of another ballot measure to eliminate cities and counties' veto power over mar1juana businesses. Local leaders have to acknowledge that refusing to recognize a now-legal industry is only encouraging the black market. Some localities are beginning to shift. Los Angeles County, for example, is considering revisiting its ban on pot shops in unincorporated areas.

    I would invite members of the Times' editorial board to go back and look at how they've written about other taxes, like those on cigarettes and those proposed for soda. With mar1juana, they grasp that too many taxes and regulations lead to a black market. But with cigarette and soda taxes, they're entirely certain that states and cities should jack them up. They're sure it will only lead to the thing that they want—fewer smokers and obese people—and not other unforeseen and negative consequences.

    But we know that's not true. New York City has some of the highest cigarette taxes in the country. It also has a massive black market for cigarettes, accounting for as much as half of all sales. Cigarettes are to New York City what mar1juana is to California. The absurdly high cost may have caused some people to quit, but it also made a market for bootlegging.

    It's great that this mar1juana disaster may be causing some leaders to rethink the state's high tax and regulatory burdens and their downstream consequences. But don't think they're unique to cannabis. It's just more noticeable because the legal cannabis industry is relatively new.
    lol. clutch fans edits the mari juana in the link to mar1juana
     
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    Great news for drug dealers !
     
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    As always, a lose lose situation for California's endless greed.

    California milked every tax dollar they could to compete against the black market at the top.

    Now every adult can grow 6 plants. What did you really think was going to happen? At least much more of this black market is going to the local economy... probably more than the taxes.
     
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    Tax the drugs!
     
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    earth to OT
    in Calif, there has always been a HUGE black market for weeds.


     
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    Haha so much so that the two there are interchangeable. For whatever reason the illegal market in Colorado and Washington doesn't seem as strong and the legal shops the prevailing way to go. Not so much in California it seems.

    It turns out that those that want to fly straight vs save money is not that high a number in California.

    I am only speculating that the number of new smokers is probably less than they expected. So it's possible most old smokers (pre legal) will go the cheapest route still..

    They say that something like 20% consume 80%
     
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    A key part of the original argument behind legalization was that you can tax and regulate it. Now we're suggesting don't tax it? Tax revenue and the size of the CA legal weed market is growing each year since it was legalized. So compared to the original "it's illegal" status, it seems to be working unless the black market is also growing and the total amount of weed consumed is just increasing. That's a very real possibility, but no one here seems to be presenting data to argue that.

    Beyond that, until the federal government legalizes banking with weed companies, the industry is still going to remain limited and somewhat off the books, since many banks and credit cards won't work with them. State legalization can only do much - if the feds accept it, then larger players will enter the market and legitimize it further.
     
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    Just say no
     
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    Dopeman Dopeman!
     
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    It's easy to just blame taxes/regulation but do we actually know what the normal percentage of people switching from their original "black market" suppliers to state dispensaries is once something becomes legal?

    My guess is that there would be some lag time in terms of folks making the switch. Also probably depends on what legal hoops there are for customers to jump through, not just $$.

    Also, I originally read the author's name as "Scott Shackleford".

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    my take is that it is more about convenience.

    until they're able to shop online and pay for it w credit cards or cryptos, the current weed consumers in Calif will just keep on transacting w the omnipresent Black Market
     
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    That's part of it too. Those channels have roots and a first mover advantage.
     
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    With synthetics and concentrated oils around, legal sellers are in a bind. I'm also sure minors will form some bottom line as it always has been.

    Full regulation might normalize things for legal vendors but there will always be black market pressures much like how the opioid black market is currently out of control.

    I mean, you can't "grow" those opioids, yet there's still a supply for that market. Strange crapitalism...
     
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    New users will predominate buy from shops for regulation purposes, specifically quality concerns.

    One complain was the lack of dispensaries outside of the cities/suburbs. Why drive an hour for legal weed when you can get black market for half price down the street.

    The black market narrative needs to be divided between gang/cartel related distribution vs petty distribution. DEA isn't going to be chasing down people for growing 12 plants instead of 6. You can have 60 plants with 10 adults testifying claims. Each adult can 'rehypothecate' 60 plants at each of their locations for 600 plants in their network. If one becomes under scrutiny, the other 9 destroy all of their crops and records. When the network is too small to actively pursue and the model is legal on paper, the black market can flourish. Its going to take hundreds of hours of investigation to catch stoner Bob selling a couple extra lbs of weed to a petty local distributor/dealer. That time is better served making sure people are masked at the super market.
     
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    All this California taxing will just mean people who want legit weed will go to Vegas or Denver
    Just like how all the taxes moved everyone to Texas or Florida
     
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    For a tip of $99.99 a month for 6 months, ill teach you how to plant, grow, harvest and process your 6 weed plants. Refer a friend and do it at the same time ill drop my price to 79.99 per person. Bitcoin tips only.
     
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    It's too easy of a product to produce to fully regulate.

    Even Al Capone got his booze from legit distillers. I tasted moonshine the first time a couple of weeks ago and was like I'm glad I'm not limited to this crap

    I mean there are plenty goods and services provided and paid for off books. mar1juana isn't unique. I'm sure a lot of people just decide it's not worth the effort to start buying legally
     
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    Pretty good idea that you have to have all cash
    That just means it’s easier to rob them
     

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