About 95% for severe diseases against original strain, about 87% against Delta, and efficacy against omicron is likely lower, but still being studied. Preliminary studies by Pfizer shows that after three shots, the vaccination is about as good as the vaccine was against original strain after two shot.
It varies over time. The mRNA vaccines are 95-ish % after three weeks but degrade over time. This is like the 100th time this has been mentioned here. Do try to keep up.
you got the booster? I didn't. My protection is probably long gone since I got it in january. Im starting to feel better today on my 4th day. I keep hacking these quarter sized green blobs when I get an urge to cough. I was running to the the restroom when it shot out my mouth like spider web.
Hey, if @Astrodome is interested, I view that as a plus. Never hurts to repeat good information, even if it's been said here many times. There's a lot of distractions out there, thousands of them on social media, unfortunately.
The video is over an hour long. I watched some of the video, but not all of it. It seems like he was saying a lot of the same things as Fauci. I was just wondering what you thought the doctor was saying that was different than what Fauci says. This is a debate and discussion forum , but you don’t want to debate or discuss.
So 19 out of 20 people who get the vaccine are immune to coronavirus 3 weeks after the vaccine. How many of those 19 are naturally immune? That 95% figure is great if accurate. And no, I don't follow this thread daily.
Just to clarify something that is often confusing. At a high level, there are two types of protection. Protection against infection. Protection against severe illness. Protection against infection wane over time (very normal). Delta wasn't so normal - it broke down this protection a bit. Omicron isn't normal either - it greatly breaks down this protection (if you had 2 or less shots). Protection against severe illness has stayed quite constant through wild type, alpha, beta, delta, and likely omicron also. A 3rd shot drastically increase protection against infection. Too early to tell, but it would be normal for that to also wane over time. The 3rd shot also boosts protection against severe illness which is NOT expected to wane over time (at least 1-2 years and possibly much longer - we just simply don't have data yet but based on how our immunity system work, it should against the current known variants). This is generality. Each person's immune system responds differently (to any vaccines). There are always outliers - from 0% protection to 100% protection. To repeat, they are outliers and not typical.
This type of messaging feels a bit ridiculous considering how little the vaccines do to prevent the spread of infection for the current variant, what's the difference in ability to spread the virus between an unvaccinated person and someone without a booster who was vaccinated 8+ months ago for Omicron? Is that difference really worth creating these types of systems and dividing people like this? The strongest reason to get vaccinated is to prevent severe illness and death for yourself. The strongest greater good argument is preventing hospitals from being overwhelmed, but ICU capacity in Chicago is currently within a normal pre pandemic range (hopefully stays this way). We aren’t sure at this point if this variant will even cause severe mass hospitalization. Even if you are in favor of the systems as a precaution for the hospitals, I don’t see why it would be packed with such an aggressive and condescending tone. “Your time is up” is a wild statement that feeds perfectly into propaganda
I don't care how the statement is made. It's way overdue IMO. It doesn't matter either - no one else would be doing this except for a few cities. By the time we know with a variant that moves this fast, it's too late. We still got maybe 1-2 years before the rest of the world has the opportunity to be vaccinated. The chances reduce with each new fast-moving variant (more of the population infected), but it is still premature to think there isn't a future variant that severely impacts the unvaccinated.
This is from Web/MD: Unvaccinated Texas Man’s Death May Be First in U.S. Due to Omicron Variant By Carolyn Crist Dec. 21, 2021 -- Health officials in Texas have announced the state’s first COVID-19 death related to the Omicron variant. It may be the first Omicron death in the U.S. The unvaccinated man in his 50s had been infected with COVID-19 previously and tested positive for the Omicron variant before his death. He had health conditions that put him at higher risk of severe complications from COVID-19, Harris County Public Health officials said. “This is a reminder of the severity of COVID-19 and its variants. We urge all residents who qualify to get vaccinated and get their booster shot if they have not already,” Barbie Robinson, executive director of Harris County Public Health, said in a statement. Last week, the U.K. reported the first publicly confirmed death from the Omicron variant, Reuters reported. Now, 12 people in the country have died due to the variant, and 104 people are hospitalized with it, officials said Monday. The Omicron variant now accounts for nearly three-quarters of new COVID-19 cases in the U.S., according to CDC data published Monday, which was based on genomic sequencing from last week. Omicron has displaced the Delta variant, which was the dominant form of the coronavirus for months. Omicron now makes up about 73.2% of new cases, while Delta is about 26.6% and .1% consists of other variants. Just one week earlier, Delta made up 87% of cases, and Omicron made up 12.6%. www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211221/unvaccinated-texas-man-omicron-death
https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2021/12/21/22848453/fully-vaccinated-people-omicron-variant-super-immunity#:~:text=U.S. & WORLD-,The omicron variant could give fully vaccinated people ‘super immunity’,-Breakthrough infections might The omicron variant could give fully vaccinated people ‘super immunity
No booster for me either. Got original shots in January and February. Sucks your go was rough, but I'm glad it's starting to get better.
The way vaccine efficacy are calculated is based on comparing the outcome of the vaccinated group compared to a control (non-vaccinated, placebo injection) group. For instance, in the Pfizer vaccine emergency use authorization report (https://www.fda.gov/media/144416/download), there were about 20,000 people in the control group as well as the vaccinated group. The groups are closely matched in terms of age, gender, co-morbidities etc. The test group were given the two dose vaccine then they are surveilled from 7 days after the 2nd dose til then end of the surveillance period of four months. Out of two groups, the vaccine group had 9 cases of confirmed covid from 7 days after dose 2 to the end of the surveillance period. The control group had 169 cases from 7 days after the placebo dose to the end of the surveillance period. Vaccine efficacy is calculated by dividing the (169-9)/169 = 0.946. Meaning that the vaccine prevented 94.6% of the cases as compared to the placebo group. That's the 95% efficacy number that people talk about.
Here in Ontario, the science table (basically the government science advisors) keeps emphasizing that Omicron hospitalization is near zero. It's still all Delta cases in the hospitals and ICUs right now despite Omicron basically making up almost all cases now. Delta is now less than 10% of all new cases and it'll keep dropping. We're actually hitting case numbers here that are the highest at any point in the entire pandemic. Today was the highest case count for any Wednesday through the whole pandemic (despite having a full mask mandate, and having vaccinated 80% of the total population). Its clear that we'll all get exposed to Omicron despite all of our best efforts given how easily it spreads. I've sort of resigned myself to the fact that my son (who is too young to get vaccinated) is probably going to get exposed to it. It just seems like it can't be stopped. But hospitals are all still intact. Vaccines may not stop infections but it does appear that they prevent hospitalizations and that's really the most important effect of vaccination.
Got omicron 2 weeks ago. Double vaxxed and boosted plus got the antibodies shots (don't know which of the 3 brands, and I'm reading only 1 really helps). 48 hours of fever, chills, aches, congestion. 99% recovered and out of quarantine. Was pissed at first, but cool with it. Just glad I'm not burdening the hospitals. It's probably everywhere now.
