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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Feb 23, 2020.

  1. Amiga

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    Each person needs to manage their own risks, based on situations they are in and who are around them.

    As a society, I think we are very close to "moving on". Let's just hope covid doesn't throw a deadly spin.
     
  2. coachbadlee

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    Hogwash.
     
  3. coachbadlee

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    The fact that we are all here still asking questions and not understanding the half-assed answers that we are getting should further point to something being slightly off.
     
  4. Astrodome

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    I wonder if omicron survival will give you immunity.
     
  5. coachbadlee

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    That was the point all along. To set up quarterly shots. It was never about some dangerous virus. They told us from the very beginning what the deal was. Many people chose fear over reasoning. That's why we are in this situation and that's why it will never end.
     
  6. coachbadlee

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    No. It's just a setup for the next big variant.
     
  7. Major

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    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-michigan-patients-military-medical-teams-hospitals/

    Military medical teams to help overwhelmed Michigan hospitals treat COVID patients

    https://www.axios.com/covid-ohio-national-guard-hospitals-325710f1-367b-4882-a091-1a2b62f87415.html

    Ohio National Guard dispatched to hospitals as COVID cases surge

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/08/us/maine-new-york-covid-national-guard/index.html

    Three Northeast states deploy National Guard amid medical capacity crisis due to pandemic


     
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  8. durvasa

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    Do you really not understand how asymptomatic spread can be a concern AND still not be as high as symptomatic spread? You make it seem like what you are writing here somehow contradicts what I said.

    I don’t know what you mean by “prevent”. We know it often prevents symptomatic infection given the case rates and there is evidence that it reduces transmissibility as well. Obviously it’s not 100% prevention or reduction in transmission.

    This doesn’t address what I said. The vaccination prescription goes without saying. But even with that, there is risk of hospitalization or even death for vulnerable segments of the population. You can act like community spread is a non-factor during a pandemic, but no one who’s actually been paying attention for last couple years has to take you seriously when you do so.
     
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  9. Invisible Fan

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    Trump admits he got BOOSter in front of his mouth breatheren at the 1:10 mark, crowd only meets him halfway. :p:D:oops::oops::(



    Well...he gets an A for ******* Effort.
     
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  10. FranchiseBlade

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    A common cold isn't labeled Covid19. False positives are more rare than false negatives
     
  11. FranchiseBlade

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    It seems odd to not get that it absolutely reduces transmission.
     
  12. Os Trigonum

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    Covid Panic is a Site of Inter-Elite Competition
    to be the most consumed with fear of Covid is just another PMC laurel

    https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/covid-panic-is-a-site-of-inter-elite

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    I keep chewing on what function this disaster p*rn performs. It’s hard to say that it has any bearing on public health; does anyone think that the problem with the vaccine-hesitant is that they just haven’t been told loudly enough that Covid is bad? No. I do think that this worry is a performance, but I don’t think the unvaccinated are the audience. I think the audience is, as for so much of what these people do, their peers, other people in the broad world of the educated, the liberal, the upwardly-mobile if not affluent, the very online. These people compete against each other relentlessly, habitually, ritualistically. . . .

    When this major international crisis arose, they felt a lot of legitimate fears and worries, which just makes them human. But when it became clear that the public health response to Covid involved denying ourselves things we wanted and enjoyed, including non-negotiably important things like in-person schooling and face-to-face human contact, they (subconsciously) saw an opening: if denial of human pleasures is virtuous, I can be more virtuous than my peers. If caution is noble, overcaution must be even nobler. . . .

    For some people, it seems, being more freaked out about Covid is quite like an I Voted sticker or a BlackLivesMatter sign in their window. It’s another way to let everyone know that they have the greatest wealth of all, the wealth of superior character, of greater moral standing. They’re fond of pointing out those 5.3 million people who have died, in the midst of their self-aggrandizing diatribes. I would perhaps invoke the dead in a different way: even this, even now, even them, you turn into yet another way to let the rest of us know how advanced you are.

     
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    You and these articles you post are stupid. Yes, I fear Covid and so should you. I had to take my elderly parents to the ER five times this year. Taking a leukemia patient to an ER filled to the brim with coughing people wrapped in blankets is terrifying. Taking a congestive heart failure patient having an emergency to the ER, only to be told there are no hospitals in Houston with any rooms available is absolutely horrible.

    I can guarantee you that the people I saw gasping for air in those emergency rooms were feeling a lot of panic.

    There is something wrong with you.
     
  15. Os Trigonum

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    thanks
     
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  16. ThatBoyNick

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    Take off that Christmas hat you god damn grinch
     
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  18. Invisible Fan

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    I actually agree with the first half of the substack guy's thinking.

    The risk profiles are wildly different and don't match the level of chiding public health officials and some liberals here/elsewhere are emphasizing. Heck, he even has a booster when I don't. tbh, I might get a booster in the coming months if there are changes in the formulation or (even) more numbers show of its efficacy against omicron. I had the Moderna shot in May and also reoccurring heart inflammation from something months before, so it's a mixed bag. I also wish I could think that me not taking a booster is half a shot given elsewhere, but that's not how distribution chains work. It's like a vegan thinking abstaining meat consumption would be one less unsold lamb chop in the dumpster. It just doesn't work like that.

    What I don't agree with is his central premise that you quoted. I lived in Santa Monica for more than a couple years, and I did not enjoy the cynical one-upmanship he's alluding to with elitist competition. That area is full of bored yuppie snobs whose seeming goal is to virtue signal their way into a higher perceived status.

    Here, when the other side preach All Lives Matter, these measures practice with All Lives Matter in mind.

    Now we can argue about whether one death is too many and what we should do about it like we always do, but I don't think that's necessarily a competition to see who is morally superior. Like the author, I still think vaccines changed the risks involved and it's a sneaky bait-n-switch public officials have held where they pretend the world can end in an instant like it did in March 2020.

    IMO the pathos for that "panicky" group he descirbes is pretty much their reaction to an evolving pandemic that we have no individual control over. We took our vaccines and mostly wear our masks, but that's the end of our role. As for the people piling up in ICUs and morgues, there's nothing we can individually do about it other than not get extremely ill and take up a hospital bed. To take that control back, we push for perfection, despite the knowledge of infection vs extreme hospitalization rates. We claim "there's a chance" new variants could pop up in America because of the Unvaccinated despite most of the world not having access to 1st tier vaccines like the Top 10%. God help us all if a variant evolved stateside along with all those vaccinated people to mutate against...

    It's an insane and bonkers blindspot that corrodes public will and subsequently the will of politicians who live off of polling data.

    I mean, sure it's possible "the elite" are being snide and even dishonest about how advanced they are with vaccination and masking (the whole masked v unmasked at Met Galas meme). Except people really are dying and indirectly impacting the healthy and lucky in unseen ways. Even if they are playing those games, there really is a core problem we can't wish away or blame elites for manufacturing "worry p*rn". (censorship luls, I meant p u r n...uhh yeah)

    It's like a family pointing fingers for the shit on the doorstep because no one wants to clean it up. There might be some truths for each member to rationalize away blame, but we all still got our parts to play even if none of them are significant to give that illusion of control. Hell, we can't even choose family and the only way out is with irreparable violence.
     
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  19. IBTL

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    Haha ya think?
    fuc*ken classic
     
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