Lol not having a plan ...foo fooing everything because you have nothing and pinning all your hopes on 2024 and orange loser seems like a good strategy there cotton. Hashtag EMPTY SEATS AT THE KLAN RALLY
All the moderates here who wanted Biden just to pass the infrastructure bill and then move on to the BBB should have known this was Manchin’s end game. The guy’s entire survival as a politician is dependent on thwarting his own party. Everyone has bent over backwards to bring him into the fold only to see him move the goalposts time and time again. Democrats are going to get clobbered next year. We’ll see voting right further eroded and Breyer replaced by Bork Jr (or someone politically and morally equivalent). After a few years of loosened economic regulations and additional tax cuts for the 1%, the economy will crash once again and the wealth gap will increase biblically. Meanwhile, the moderates will blame it all on progressives. wash, rinse, repeat……
I read different news sources at least once a week I just don’t know how the **** you can say one is more reliable than another…and what might I learn new? Don’t forget I’m a moderate/independent more so than you.
I can’t wait until you post that same GIF when the next election, if close, goes to the House. You act like this is a game but it ain’t…
Manchin is popular in west virgina and BBB was not. Hes popular in WV, b/c he votes against things like BBB. If you vote him out, you get a republican.
Did Biden, Pelosi, and Schumer get played like fools by some ol' hick from West Virginia? Because it sure looks that way.
There are a few places where moderate sane democrats have a voice and the crazy progressives don’t ..WV is that place and I’m fine with it. I appreciate moderates even on the other side of the fence but the crazy squid squad progressives that wish they could flush America and push an agenda that doesn’t speak to them is hilarious. BBB can go to hell the infrastructure was a win based on appealing to moderates. BBB is pure cane progressive sugar …
I just said that and it doesn’t concern me…he’s a Republican in all but name. Might as well let a MAGA nut get in there as the state is already there anyways…
The whole world’s economic system is a game. You know what a mean…you’re starting to sound like @tinman
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...4b6e02-60e3-11ec-a7e8-3a8455b71fad_story.html From charm offensive to scorched earth: How Biden’s fragile alliance with Manchin unraveled By Sean Sullivan and Seung Min Kim Today at 8:20 p.m. EST WILMINGTON, Del. — As Democrats feuded over the size and scope of their sweeping social spending proposal this fall, President Biden invited Sen. Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va) to his home here for breakfast and a personal tour of the property he built. The October visit, according to a Democrat familiar with the day’s events, was part of a personal charm offensive by Biden to finally win over the man widely seen as the main obstacle to once-in-a-generation legislation to curtail climate change, and expand health care and education benefits, among other longtime priorities. On Sunday, the charm offensive turned to scorched earth. Hours after Manchin abruptly delivered what many saw as a potentially fatal blow to one of the centerpieces of Biden’s agenda with his declaration that he “just can’t” support it, White House press secretary Jen Psaki unleashed a blistering 712-word written statement accusing him of making a “sudden and inexplicable reversal in his position” and calling his comments a “breach of his commitments” to Biden and Democratic lawmakers, if he has decided to end negotiations. The remarkable exchange reflected an abrupt turnabout between the two men, who had spent the first year of Biden’s presidency engaging in a delicate yet largely cordial alliance as the conservative Democratic senator wielded decisive power in the 50-50 Senate. While some White House officials suggested Biden could still work with Manchin, it was unclear late Sunday whether that alliance could be repaired, or if the sour feelings would impact other issues where Manchin plays a central role. His support is also key to Democrats’ languishing efforts to pass voting rights protections as Republican state legislatures impose new restrictions. Passing such legislation with a simple majority would require Manchin signing off on a Senate rules change that would bypass its 60-vote threshold for most legislation. “I can understand the frustration, but in a 50-50 Senate you are going to need his vote on lots of other issues,” said Howard Wolfson, an adviser to former New York mayor Mike Bloomberg. “It’s critical to keep the relationship intact and the lines of communication open.” The breakdown comes at an especially difficult moment for Biden, whose struggle to fight the pandemic, rising inflation and supply chain problems were already gathering into a year-end maelstrom. Now he also faces an uproar once again in his own party. Democratic infighting was on full display on Sunday, undercutting efforts to project unity ahead of what many in the party privately believe will be an electoral wipeout. And liberal leaders who hoped to realize their longtime policy goals and campaign on the initiatives in the social spending plan were furious. Most of the anger was directed squarely at Manchin. “I think he’s going to have a lot of explaining to do to the people of West Virginia to tell ’em why he doesn’t have the guts to take on the drug companies to lower the cost of prescription drugs, why he is not prepared to expand home health care,” said Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) in an interview on CNN’s “State of the Union.” “Astonishment” was how one Democratic senator described the mood among colleagues, who the senator said were on the phone with one another on Sunday. Manchin’s decision to publicly oppose the spending plan came after a week of conversations with the White House, which included at least two personal phone calls between the president and the senator, as well as several follow-ups with White House aides. On Tuesday, Manchin “came to the White House and submitted — to the President, in person, directly — a written outline” for a bill, according to Psaki’s statement Sunday, “that was the same size and scope as the President’s framework, and covered many of the same priorities. While that framework was missing key priorities, we believed it could lead to a compromise acceptable to all.” Two days later, Manchin huddled on the Senate floor for long conversations with Sens. Michael F. Bennet (D-Colo.), Cory Booker (D-N.J.) and Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), who had each advocated for major programs that had been included in the version of the bill passed weeks ago by the House and that were at risk by Manchin’s opposition. But 24 hours later, the White House had made clear the bill would not be happening in 2021, and Manchin was no longer having lengthy floor conversations with Democrats. He instead turned his attention to Republicans, whom he is trying to sell on potential changes to Senate rules. Manchin made up his mind only in the past day or two, according to a person familiar with the situation, concluding he had exhausted all negotiating options with the White House. The senator also did not seem pleased with a written statement from Biden on Thursday evening that effectively pushed the negotiations into next year, which had referenced Manchin multiple times. more at the link
Sure I was one of those guys who wanted the bipartisan infrastructure bill passed as soon as possible. I also knew this would be a possibility that the BBB would not be able to be passed. The stakes though that Congress and Biden was facing then during most of the Fall was whether ANY infrastructure bill could get passed. It was pretty cleat to me that the Republicans, even the ones who voted for the infrastructure bill, could live without any infrastructure bill getting passed. The progressives wanted to play high stakes game of chicken with Manchin but Manchin had signals that he wouldn't be held hostage to having both bills tied together. So if the Progressives had gotten their way and no vote was held on the bipartisan bill then we get NO INFRASTRUCTURE BILL OUT OF THIS CONGRESS. I read Ilhan Omar's op-ed and she's right that there are a lot of things in the BBB that would help West Virginia. Yet there are many things in the bipartisan bill that would help Minnesota. I know for a fact there are bridges and other infrastructure that need help in this state and as her constituent wrote to her about it. That didn't stop her from voting no on the infrastructure bill so it appears to me she was willing to vote no on a critical piece of legislation out of political brinksmanship and is now crying foul when Manchin does it.
I will say this again too. Yes its disappointing if the BBB doesn't pass but one problem that Democrats too often do is paint successes as failures. The Bipartisan infrastructure bill certainly doesn't meet all the wants and needs of the Progressives but it is the largest infrastructure bill to pass in decades. Before the members of the Squad were even born. This is only seen as a failure because they are defining it as. It's the Affordable Care Act all over again. For years that act was derided by Liberals and Conservatives alike as a failure yet it has done much of what it was intended to, greatly reduced the number of uninsured and is now more popular than ever.
I understand you worded it subjectively, but do you feel we barely scratched the surface with the ACA? I feel like the pre-existing coverage issue is a 1a solution with so many more problems that need to be solved. I feel like we should be pushing healthier lifestyles as a proactive measure instead of going all in on reactive measures.
