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[The Week] It's unrealistic to ban football. But it might not be ethical to watch it, either.

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  1. Os Trigonum

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    eggball post

    https://theweek.com/culture/sports/1008114/should-football-still-be-americas-favorite-game

    It's unrealistic to ban football. But it might not be ethical to watch it, either.
    Joel Mathis 12:50 PM

    In April, Phillip Adams killed six people — including two children, ages 9 and 5 — then turned the gun on himself, dying at the age of 32. On Tuesday, we learned a likely reason why: Adams' brain was severely damaged after playing football for 20 years, including for six NFL teams. He had chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), a condition often found in people who have suffered head trauma.

    That is, people like football players, who collide with each other at high speeds dozens of times a game.

    "I don't think [Adams] snapped," said Dr. Ann McKee, who directs the CTE Center at Boston University. "It appeared to be a cumulative progressive impairment. He was getting increasingly paranoid, he was having increasing difficulties with his memory, and he was very likely having more and more impulsive behavior."

    This is far from the first football-related CTE horror story. In 2012, Kansas City linebacker Jovan Belcher killed his girlfriend, then shot himself in front of the team's coach and general manager. That same year, Junior Seau — who was one of the league's leading stars for two decades — killed himself. Five years later, former New England Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez hanged himself in prison, where he was serving a sentence for murdering a friend. These are just a few examples: The list of CTE-impaired former players who have died violently is long and getting longer.

    There are skeptics of the CTE-football connection. To be fair, it's a difficult phenomenon to research: The condition is diagnosed only after a person has died, when doctors can directly examine the subject's brain. (That may change soon.) So studies that show high rates of CTE among former players tend to involve subjects whose families already suspected a problem, which arguably skews the results. And there are those who argue that football is a violent game: Is it any wonder it attracts people who might be inclined to violence outside the gridiron?

    Still, the news about Adams is one more reason to think caution is warranted. And the NFL has implemented a number of rule changes over the last two decades to protect players from concussions — though a study last year suggested those changes haven't actually reduced the number of injuries. It seems likely there's no way to fix the game in a way that preserves what players and fans love about it while also making it safe.

    It's tempting to call for a ban on the game, but it's not realistic: 23 of the top 25 most-watched telecasts this year are NFL games, and college football is like a religion in the South. The game isn't going anywhere — Americans know the problems and keep on watching.

    But you do have to wonder if it's ethical to watch and support a game that inflicts so much damage on the men who play it and potentially causes those men to spread death and misery to others. Maybe we should find something else to do on Sunday afternoons.


     
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    Remember the Nike commercials with Dennis Hopper playing the ref walking around like he was mad talking about different players? I loved the Junior Seau one
     
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    I'm doing my part, never watched a full game in my life.

    But I do love watching UFC... but I don't pay for it, thanks to internet streams for keeping me ethical.

    I think it's realistic to ban youth tackle football, but it really has no business being in high school either, a tough situation.
     
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    So you have heard of people who only played football through his with CTE issues?
     
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    NFLs days are numbered... maybe not in my lifetime but the science around this isn't going to reveal anything more positive... the contrary in fact and I would never let my kids play football. I think more and more folks will feel the same way in the future. Sure, the poors will still be amongst us but even still, this games days are numbered.
     
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    Libs taking away all the fun things again...

    LET THEM EAT CAKTE!!
     
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    There will be scrunity of CTE diagnosis versus other illnesses for football players, and of CTE diagnosis on non-football athletes vs. football players, for both men and women sports, before anything comes close to being banned or boycotted.
     
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    Played a lot of football growing up, was in a lot of fights and a lot of accidents..... I had 5-6 diagnosed concussions by the time I was in my early 20's.

    I didn't think much of it, headaches increased but I viewed it as like having a broken bone, it heals and you are okay........ now I am 20 years older and I have impulse control issues and huge blocks of memory are missing, my wife or friends will talk about conversations I do not remember happening or memories I do not remember. They used to think I would "conveniently" forget, but now they know I really do not remember. It isn't scary yet, but I am aware it could go down that path. The neurologist is convinced it is from brain trauma caused from being concussed.

    My point is that we watch the NFL and college football and think these players are modern gladiators and are lucky and rich, etc.... but brain damage is nothing to laugh about or take lightly.
     
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    "They are poor (black) kids that had nothing going for them. They get 60,000 fans cheering for them, lots of money and women. Their life was **** before and the fans give them great lives, especially coming from the poverty they grew up in. They need to grow up and shake it off."

    It will be some version of this......... which is the same **** I have heard about those in the military that come back realizing they have been exploited and have long term problems.

    **** carries down river..... and most people don't care about the poor or the minority if they are getting something out of it.
     
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    Shut up n play!
     
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    I'm sorry brother I don't understand what you were trying to say here

    Is the question do I think CTE only comes from football? If that is the question then no, I know it's in other sports that's why I brought up UFC. It's considered high in boxing, hockey, rugby etc but It's technically in any contact sport to varying degrees.

    That being said the difference between youth rugby or football concussion rate compared with volleyball or baseball is a HUGE difference.

    Kids and girls are more likely to get concussions due to weaker neck muscles as well. I think contact sports with very high concussion rates like rugby and football have pretty solid grounds for a ban.
     
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    I am clearly saying kids who only play football through high school don't have CTE issues
     
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    Ok.

    You are using the word “clearly” very liberal here

    https://www.bu.edu/articles/2017/cte-former-nfl-players/
     
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    Oh, yea, hockey is just as bad as football. It's gotta go to. Those dudes are flying into each other at a million miles an hour.
     
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    I played football from sixth to twelfth grade, but if I could go back, I would’ve just played baseball and basketball, maybe soccer. Not just because of the concussions (which I had), but it just consumed so much of my time, especially in high school. If my son wanted to play football, I don’t know if I would discourage it, but I wouldn’t encourage it.
     
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    Between CTE, the commercials, and the rules lawyering that happens every damned play, football is basically a crime against humanity already.

    My brother let his son play tackle football starting in 4th grade. That's insanity to me, but for rural Texas, that's normal. I cannot fathom why any parent would allow their kid to play football given what we know now.
     
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    https://www.nfhs.org/articles/the-nfhs-voice-no-linkage-to-cte-from-playing-high-school-football/

    No CTE from high school football

    How many men played high school football with far inferior equipment than today's
     
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