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Breaking 1-06-21: MAGA terrorist attack on Capitol

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  1. Os Trigonum

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    OMG SHE'S RUNNING AND COURTING THE JEWISH VOTE
     
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    He attributed the cut-off text to a lawmaker (not a lawyer) which was not true.
     
  3. Os Trigonum

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    the gefilte fish rots from the head
     
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    I see we're more upset about the insertion of a period into a graphic than the attempted overthrow of the government today.
     
  5. Os Trigonum

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    Shifty gonna shift
     
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    Here's the full paragraph (also released by the January 6 House Commission):

    Curious though... what was gym jordan's intention when forwarding lawyer schmitz's legal opinion that supported vice president pence not recognizing electoral votes?
     
  8. Amiga

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    doesn't make any difference

    Pence was being squeezed to do something he couldn't do.
     
  9. Amiga

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    The right is very good at focusing on a period and staying there.
     
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    I know it was something pence wouldn't do... I was asking why gym jordan sent the message? Seems those that are defending the insurrection are suggesting Schiff's (or Schiff's staff person) inserted a period which suggested that jordan sent the text and they were jordan's own words. We now know the words came from schmitz. But my question remains... why did jordan send the text with schmitz's analysis to trump's chief of staff?
     
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  12. Amiga

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    because he supports overturning the election
     
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    Biological or grammatical
     
  14. Agent94

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    Wasn’t Pence considering not counting the votes and was talked out of it by Dan Quayle of all people?
     
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    Yes, according to Bob Woodward. He was looking for a way to make it happen.
     
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    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/16/opinion/fox-news-trump-january-6.html

    The Line From Fox News to Trump’s Big Lie Is Short and Direct
    Dec. 16, 2021
    By Frank Bruni
    Mr. Bruni is a contributing Opinion writer who was on the staff of The Times for more than 25 years.

    What did Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham say about the Jan. 6 rioting at the United States Capitol — and when did they say it?

    Were they suitably censorious of the violence? At the time, did their public remarks match their private horror?

    Those questions have been heatedly and extensively hashed out over the days since a House committee released text messages from Jan. 6 in which Hannity and Ingraham, the popular hosts of prime-time shows on Fox News, separately implored President Donald Trump’s chief of staff to get Trump to say and do something to disperse the protesters and quell the violence. Hannity and Ingraham knew that he had stirred those protesters and could sway them, more so than they ever acknowledged on-air, according to their critics. According to Hannity and Ingraham, they’re just the victims — yet again! — of left-wing media smears.

    You can delve into the weeds of this or you can pull back and survey the whole ugly yard. And what you see when you do that — what matters most in the end — is that Fox News has helped to sell the fiction that the 2020 election was stolen from Trump, and there’s a direct line from that lie to the rioting. There’s a direct line from that lie to various Republicans’ attempts to develop mechanisms to overturn vote counts should they dislike the results.

    That lie is the root of the terrible danger that we’re in, with Trump supporters being encouraged to distrust and undermine the democratic process. And that lie has often found a welcome mat at Fox News.

    The Washington Post media critic Erik Wemple is among the many attuned observers who have documented this, and a column of his from mid-January 2021 presented a compendium of inciting commentary on Fox News in the lead-up to Jan. 6. Interviewing Trump on Nov. 29, 2020, the Fox Business host Maria Bartiromo declared: “We cannot allow America’s election to be corrupted. We cannot.” On Hannity’s show two days later, the Fox News host Jeanine Pirro vented an apocalyptic outrage about Joe Biden’s victory, saying: “This fraud will continue and America will be doomed for the next 20 years.” The Fox News contributor Newt Gingrich, the Fox Business host Lou Dobbs, Hannity himself — all of them got in on the action to some degree, stating or signaling that something about the 2020 election was terribly amiss.

    And their evidence? It was fugitive then, and no one has tracked it down since. That’s because it doesn’t exist. It’s a conspiracy-minded, ratings-driven hallucination. Just this week, The Associated Press published a review of “every potential case of voter fraud in the six battleground states” where Trump has disputed Biden’s victory. It found fewer than 475 cases.

    “Joe Biden won Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and their 79 Electoral College votes by a combined 311,257 votes out of 25.5 million ballots cast for president,” the A.P. reported. “The disputed ballots represent just 0.15 percent of his victory margin in those states. The cases could not throw the outcome into question even if all the potentially fraudulent votes were for Biden, which they were not, and even if those ballots were actually counted, which in most cases they were not.”

    This mathematical analysis hardly supports the hysteria on the right — a hysteria that Fox News readily whips up. (I direct you to the so-called documentary “Patriot Purge” on Fox Nation, in which Tucker Carlson recasts Jan. 6 as evidence that a corrupt government is setting up and locking up Trump supporters, who are really political prisoners.) And this is no garden-variety partisan hysteria. It circles around and sometimes lands squarely on the contention that Biden is an illegitimate president and Trump is our rightful ruler, exiled to the Siberia of southern Florida.

    I know the pushback from the right: It was Democrats who refused to accept Trump’s legitimacy by insisting that he, in cahoots with Russia, cheated his way into the Oval Office. They rushed to judgment as more than a few sympathetic journalists indulged or floated rococo scenarios well beyond anything provable.

    But, but, but. Democrats weren’t passing or trying to pass laws in battleground states that would enable them to counter the popular will. Democrats weren’t trying to enshrine rule by the minority. Many Republicans are doing precisely that now.

    And they’re being motivated and cheered, both directly and obliquely, by what they see and hear on Fox News. I care less about Hannity’s and Ingraham’s precise words on Jan. 6 than about what they and their colleagues on Fox News said before and after, and what they’re saying now. It’s reckless. It’s subversive. And it’s scary.

     
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    So... trump associate roger stone is believes his testimony will incriminate himself...

     
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    I absolutely think Roger Stone set up Brooks Brothers riot 2, and "it went too far" as Don Jr. would say. He was videoed with Proud Boys the day before the riot and Oath Keepers the day of. The problem is the groups the republicans are courting aren't as easy to wrangle. Pumping extremists full of existential conspiracies and letting them loose is a recipe for disaster.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/17/politics/roger-stone-proud-boys-amy-berman-jackson/index.html

    "Stone was accompanied on January 6 in DC by members of the paramilitary extremist group the Oath Keepers and Stone has long had close ties to prominent members of the fraternity-like pro-Trump group the Proud Boys."
     
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    I hope someone flips and breaks this open, because it's obvious right now that this was a multi-pronged coup attempt.

    - Coordination with Oath Keepers and Proud Boys
    - Legislators and lawyers planning to subvert the election - the power point presentation lays it out
    - Installing loyalists in the Justice Dept.
    - Installing loyalists in the Defense Dept.
    - Planning a "rally" on 1/6
    - Right wing media inciting the base
    - Spreading conspiracy theories on social media
     
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    Man who admitted he assaulted officers with a fire extinguisher on January 6 is sentenced to 63 months - CBS News

    Washington — Robert Scott Palmer, a Florida man who admitted he assaulted officers with a wooden plank and a fire extinguisher during the January 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, was sentenced to 63 months in prison on Friday.

    This is the harshest sentence handed down in the investigation into the mob that forced Congress to temporarily halt its counting of the 2020 presidential election Electoral College votes.

    "I'm so ashamed that I was a part of it. Very, very ashamed," Palmer emotionally told Judge Tanya Chutkan, explaining that from jail, he watched a segment on MSNBC's Rachel Maddow Show about his conduct that made him, "horrified…absolutely devastated."

    Palmer, who was arrested in March and pleaded guilty to one count of assaulting officers in October, asked Chutkan to sentence him to no more than two years in prison for his actions on January 6, a request she denied.

    "I have to make it clear that the actions you engaged in cannot happen again," the judge told Palmer, "It has to be made clear that trying to violently" overtake the government is "going to be met with absolutely certain punishment."

    As part of his plea agreement, Palmer admitted to throwing, "a wooden plank at U.S. Capitol Police and Metropolitan Department officers protecting the Lower West Terrace entrance" of the Capitol during the Capitol breach. He also admitted to spraying "the contents of a fire extinguisher at the officers until it was empty" before throwing the extinguisher in their direction, as written in a Statement of Offense that he signed.

    Prosecutors asked the judge to sentence Palmer to 63 months behind bars — the longest prison term formally requested so far by the government in the ongoing investigation into the January 6 riot.

    In their sentencing memorandum, government prosecutors claimed that Palmer was "on the front line of rioters confronting officers."

    "Defendant's repeated violent assaults on law enforcement for the purpose of overturning a democratic election warrant a significant term of imprisonment," they wrote.

    After assailing officers with the fire extinguisher and fending off pepper spray, Palmer "threw the [wooden] pole like a spear" towards a group of law enforcement attempting to guard the Capitol's Lower West Terrace before a "non-lethal projectile" was fired at him by officers, their memo described.

    The government also said that "no specific injury" has been tied to Palmer's conduct.

    Palmer's attorney argued in court and in the sentencing memorandum that he has "struggled with depression and substance abuse" and an abusive childhood, which may have contributed to his actions that day.

    Chutkan sympathized with Palmer Friday and said that those types of experiences "stay with you."

    The defendant's son, Robert Scott Palmer Jr., also addressed the court. "I do not in any way condone the actions that took place," said the son, "While it is severe and unacceptable, it is just a brief moment."


    In their pre-sentencing filings, the defense also tried to say that Palmer's actions were in part informed by the conduct displayed by former President Donald Trump leading up to the insurrection.

    "Mr. Palmer went to the Capitol at the behest of the former president. Like many others who participated in the Capitol riot, Mr. Palmer blindly followed the many figures who falsely but persistently claimed that the election had been stolen from the president," his legal team wrote, "Those voices, including the voice of the then-president himself, had convinced persons such as Mr. Palmer that the election was fraudulent and that they must take action to stop the transition of the presidency."

    "It is relevant to consider that the riot almost surely would not have occurred but for the financing and organization that was conducted by persons unconnected to Mr. Palmer who will likely never be held responsible for their relevant conduct," the defendant's memorandum also argued.

    Palmer himself also sent a handwritten letter to Chutkan ahead of Friday's hearing, asking for her mercy and understanding.

    "Trump supporters were lied to by those that at the time had great power meaning the sitting President," the letter read in part, "They kept spitting out the false narrative about a stolen election and how it was 'our duty' to stand up to tyranny."

    During his plea proceedings Palmer agreed to allow law enforcement to review his social media accounts and postings around January 6, but since entering that agreement, prosecutors alleged the defendant posted on an online fundraising page that indicated he no longer accepted responsibility for his actions at the Capitol.

    Judge Chutkan revealed on Friday that she agreed with this characterization: "He was still denying culpability for the defense," after pleading guilty. As a result, the judge decided he would not get as much credit for accepting responsibility for the crime when calculating the sentence.

    "None of us are the worst things we've ever done," the judge told Palmer, whose lawyer revealed his client recently received a COVID-19 vaccine. "I hope you continue to consider other sources of information as you go forward,'' Chutkan added.
     
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