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JG/KPJ go straight back to starting when they return, given how well team's played in their absence?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by wlekfjv923n, Dec 12, 2021.

  1. banzai

    banzai Member

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    There’s is the whole we should and what Silas is gonna do. We all know he’s 2 months behind CF coaching. With that KPJr and Jgreen are NOT PG’s or playmakers. Both are CJ McCullum players. KPJr should start. JGreen off the bench untill he gets on the same page with the winners.
     
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    Under no circumstances should Green play PG right now, though.

    That's the big problem.

    His handles are erratic, his passing is mediocre, his vision is mediocre, and that's not really our priorities in developing him anyways. I'd honestly rather see Augustin run the point, at least he can facilitate plays.

    I guess you could have Gordon bring the ball up and run through Sengun as point-forward while Green matches up with PG on D.
     
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  3. DreamR

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    Yeah the 3 ball needs work

    But with the additional spacing he doesn't have to worry as much about the secondary defender guarding the paint once he gets past his primary defender.

    It should make the game a little bit easier for him than before.
     
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  4. DreamR

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    Agreed. I think Silas trusts these guys more now and will send them out if KPJ or Green is struggling.
     
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  5. wlekfjv923n

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    Josh gotta find a way there somehow, shouldnt he. We have so many guys so easy to root for
     
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    Sounds reasonable to me
     
  7. MystikArkitect

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    Neither. I'd ease both in. Green was at least being more efficient in his last couple of games prior to injury. He needs to be more active on defense.

    KPJ is the opposite. Decent defensively but the absolute worst offensive player on this team. Inefficient, indecisive, can't shoot, can't drive, can't hit free throws, doesn't have vision. They need to both prove they won't be lackadaisical offensively (KPJ) and defensively (Green).

    If I had to pick one it'd be Green but both are a little too careless for my liking at the moment. As is Sengun if I'm keeping it 100.
     
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    Good point. EG playing so well right now. Driving to the rim, getting foul calls, hitting 3s like he's in his prime, and actually handling the ball not too bad - at least not turning the ball over much. We've gotta net a decent first rounder at least
     
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    AAU ball has really killed the PG / SG basic skills, they are so much talented than people they play by 8/9th grade that they can coast and get used to playing with no urgency.

    KPJ plays like he’s so going through practice most of the time (hence the frustrating turnovers)… when he goes all out he’s a much much better player …
     
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  10. eliefor3

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    I don't see how it can be anything else. You are not benching the number 2 overall pick with less than half a season under his belt during a season where winning is not a priority. It would be absurd to do that.
     
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  11. eliefor3

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    I think this forum is making too big of a deal winning games primarily against the worst teams in the league and a good team missing 2 starters playing back to back.
     
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    whenever i need an instant spacing i threaten silas to fire him!
     
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  13. Jontro

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    nope. we need more house & thighs.
     
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    9 games in a row we could of beat nba champs if silas didnt benched sengun for good

    yeah losing mentality suits you well
     
  15. JayGoogle

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    Yeah...

    People should want Green and Sengun and KPJ to play as much as possible, honestly **** everyone else. Those are our best prospects.

    KPJ/Green/Mathews/Tate/Wood is my starting lineup.

    It's amazing to me how many people have given up on Green...amazing and sad.
     
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    Players have been known to struggle from 3
    part of the season and then turn it around.

    Green and Porter deserve the opportunity
    to turn it around now with Wood at Center.

    It's a cop out to only blame Theis for not creating
    space. Tate is a SF that didn't create space...
    now a PF not creating space. Silas will
    need to add space creating if none of
    Green/Porter/Tate are not creating space.

    At least give them 5 minutes of starting the
    game before shuffling the deck.
     
  17. Swapshop

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    I might throw a wild idea out here but what if Tate was PG? It would create a lot of miss matches. Wonder what he could do if the Rockets put the developmental time they did with KPJ into him. Out of the box he was a lot better at it.
     
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    I do agree that not everything falls on Theis and agree on the Tate comment. In the end, I like to think of the Rocket starting lineup as a 'quota' for bad shooters. How many non-shooters can you put on the court before the offense stinks to high heaven.

    The old line up was:

    KPJ (scorer/shooter but inefficient)
    JGreen (scorer/shooter but inefficient)
    Tate (non-shooter)
    Wood (good)
    Theis (not volume but non-shooter)​

    Some of this is also due to the opposite of synergy, but we ended up with 4/5 non-shooting threat. If the ideal quota is 2, we are way over.

    New lineup *where even if guys miss; they are threat enough by past games or repuation where defenders don't sag.

    Gordon (yes)
    Brooks (yes)
    Mathews (yes)
    Tate (1 in the quota)
    Wood (yes).​

    4/5 respected shooters in the winning streak got us one of the highest OFFRTG (3rd?) before it was snapped.

    Since Tate does other things;
    * play defense (defend other team's #1 or #2 guy)
    * his floater game was hot for a while.
    * he's a secondary playmaker, and has a TOV this season lower than Green and KPJ.​

    We bench Theis for a Garrison. That gives one spot.
    If KPJ and JGreen comes back, then it'd be 3/5 in the quota.

    JGreen by reputation is still a shooter, so I don't think NBA has caught on to sag, but If he continue to his woes; eventually the league will all know. 3/5 is risky that's still more than half of your starting lineup who can't shoot.

    • KPJ play some defense, and Rockets Org has this fascination that he's part of the core, so I'm ok with at least this audition year, where they get enough data to make an ultimatum to put him in the wing finally.
    • Green is also the #2 pick
    With both these are non-basketball political reasons.
    • If both guys did other things better: tighter handles, better passing, less turnovers, better FTs. Pull "a Scottie Barnes" where maybe shooting is not forte, but impacting the game in other ways; like defense (Tate), then KPJ/JGreen justify their position to be in that 'quota'.
    If free throw is an indicator of how good a shooter is; JGreen is at ~80% thus far this year, KPJ is 69%. I think JGreen have it in him and could be unlocked. KPJ's offense has ways to go.

    If we put in the other budding guards/wings, based on meritocracy and without politics: Josh Christopher (defense, improving offense), Armoni (offense, improving D), KJ Martin, Garrison (3&d) all have a case. Purely based on play, it's definitely not obvious to me that KPJ/Green are better. Who's to say the others don't have higher potential.
     
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  19. Hemingway

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    You must have not watched all the games. KPJ was great and getting better each game after the two centers playing at once fiasco was alleviated. I have watched every game and have seen progression from most everyone on the team with the exception of Green, Augustine, and Nwaba. Your KPJ hate is irrational or your just a stat watcher and not a game watcher.
     
  20. eliefor3

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    Coulda woulda shoulda. I deal with facts and they are what they are. The win streak was cute but against crappy competition.
     

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