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Christian Wood expected to get "significant trade interest"

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Nov 29, 2021.

  1. eliefor3

    eliefor3 Member

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    Just bc someone has a skillet that only 5 other players have that doesn't meant that player is a top 5 player. Those 2 are totally different things not mutually exclusive.
     
  2. D-rock

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  3. larsv8

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    Yea, I mean unless Wood agrees to a 4 year 80 mil extension tomorrow, its time for him to go.

    Can't control the asset, can't control the risk.
     
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  4. dmoneybangbang

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    I guess, just seems like a bunch of flowery praise that doesn’t really mean anything. Top 5 unique player but not top 5 player or a franchise player.

    So still not a franchise player? Seems like folks are just tossing whatever they can in order to justify Wood remaining on this team.
     
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  5. sydmill

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    I guess the real question for the people who think keeping Wood is the smart play is what is a number that you are comfortable with? Even if his Bird rights allow for cap gymnastics, does anyone feel that Fertitta is willing to spend to put an up and coming team on the floor when he wasnt willing to open up for a contender? I like Wood and I could see him gradually going from first option to role player over the course of the Rockets future. But if I doubt that he is willing to accept what the Rockets are willing to offer than he has to go now while his value is at its highest.
     
  6. NewAge

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    One deal that would be quite interesting is: Wood for MPJ
    MPJ is a significant risk to turn into a major liability with that bad back and the max contract. But he is young (23 yo) and modern medicine is pretty good... If healthy he fits our babies' timeline better, and I do think he has a higher ceiling than Wood.
    Denver may want to try and salvage this year, they have Murray coming back in February, they can make a major push.
    Of course, this is predicated on Malone making Wood/Jokic work (unlike Silas with Wood/Sengun)
     
  7. Joe Joe

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    TLDR: This post is a flip flopper.

    Rockets likely aren't going to be much more over the cap for the first couple of years of Wood's deal than this year. I expect Fertitta will have more money in 4 years than he does now similar to the way Crane didn't have much money after he bought the Astros.

    On the question on how much to pay Wood, that will depend on the market at the time, though it should be easy to be very competitive if Wood wants to stay.

    On trading Wood, I am fine for a good deal or the Rockets determine Sengun and Wood can't coexist. I am skeptical that the Rockets can get something of value that can match the value of cap gymnastics that the Rockets would have with Wood if Wood is willing to re-sign.

    When I see posts for trading Wood, I read the underlining reasons being:
    1) He hurts the draft position. (My thought on this is that he doesn't affect draft position too much unless he's worth keeping).
    2) Open up playing time for Sengun because Sengun is better. (If one thinks this is the case, it conflicts with point 1).
    3) "I don't like Wood and if we trade Wood we will get someone better on a 4-year contract versus 1.5 years of Wood." (I'm skeptical the Rockets get this value).

    With how Sengun has played the past two nights, if he can keep it up, keeping Wood will not be an option unless they can coexist. I've not liked Theis regarding the way the Rockets want to play on offense (i.e., while he may be good for the defense, he won't help players develop offensive game). I really like have one of Sengun and Wood on the court at all times. If Rockets trade Wood, they need to find a way to get another player like Wood to backup Sengun in the future.
     
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  8. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    I really don’t get it. Just play Wood and Sengun together, results be damned. Give them till the deadline to figure it out.

    If we see no tangible improvement, you trade Wood. If you do, you trade Theis.

    Why would we trade him without being prompted to? Anyone who's saying his value is highest now is going to look silly in 2 years when he's in his prime and shifts more focus to winning than establishing himself.

    As always though, if an offer of two good first rounders comes in you take it.
     
  9. dmoneybangbang

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    I wish that type of behavior was a given in sports.
     
  10. NewAge

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    What about offer of Michael Porter Jr.?
    That would be somewhat enticing, wouldn’t it?
     
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    I think a really good and possible trade would be to the Hornets. PJ Washington, Kelly Oubre and the 2022 NOP pick they own for CW. If they wouldn’t do both PJ and Kelly then just Kelly. That NOP pick would be enough for me, although maybe not enough for some on this board. Maybe you could conjoil another protected pick in 2023 or 2024 from them.
     
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    I think that's a good deal but I would put priority on 2023 picks. We have 4 first rounders this year, and we'll have a top draft next year, and then it's a talent desert in 2023 with our pick going out the door. We want a steady stream but since we have so many players this year, it'll be good to not overload the system next Summer, but maintain that steady stream. I also don't want Stone to get too locked into spending in free agency in 2023 if the team isn't ready yet, but have the fear that if we don't have another top pick that year he might feel the need to spend just to have a big summer "win."
     
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    I am pretty much in agreement with these two posts. Whether we want to trade Wood depends on two things:

    1. Can he coexist with Sengun?
    2. How much is he willing to sign for his next contract?

    #1 is by far more important. If he can play well with Sengun, why not keep him? And we won't know until we play them together in extended minutes.

    Some people want to get rid of all good players over the age of 22 in order to tank. That's crazy. I can understand getting rid of players who have passed their peak (Wall, Gordon, Theis, Augustin, etc.) If you already have the talents to grow into a contender, why do you want to get rid of the talents to tank? And you won't know until you actually try to win with this group.
     
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    Hell of lot of money.
    22-23: $29,750,000
    23-24: $32,130,000
    24-25: $34,510,000
    25-26: $36,890,000
    26-27: $39,270,000

    1 good year.
    Back problems.
    Pass.

    “Porter was expected to miss the remainder of the 2017–18 season because of a lower back injury which required surgery. On November 22, 2017, Porter had a successful microdiscectomy of his L3-L4 spinal discs.”

    “On July 19, 2018, the Nuggets announced that Porter had undergone a second back surgery.”

    “On November 29, 2021, Porter's agent Mark Bartelstein announced Porter would miss the remainder of the 2021–22 NBA season as he would be undergoing a third back surgery.”
     
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  15. eliefor3

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    I like wood alot. But I don't think he has a place on the team. My hope for him is that we get a good return in a trade for him bc of he goes to the right team, he could be a all star.
     
  16. NewAge

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    If it weren’t for that they wouldn’t consider trading.
    but it’s a high-risk bet on a potential superstar.
    he’s had a lot more proof-of-concept than Chet, Banchero, Jalen Green, etc…
     
  17. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    A total transformation is highly unlikely, a gradual slight improvement is common. I'm happy to take that chance when wins mean nothing. He doesn't need much, half a turnover down, half an assist up. He just can't be a negative in assists minus turnovers.

    He drives more than most bigs, and driving causes some acceptable turnovers (as in it was worth the risk).

    Just give him time and let him play on a team with a significantly better scorer than him. He will blossom when he gets sick of losing and he doesn't strike me as a loser. He's fought to be here.
     
  18. dmoneybangbang

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    I disagree since this presumes this team is in a place where it should be locking players up to +$20 million contracts that aren't franchise players. Seems like putting the cart before the horse, also like worrying about whether Sengun and Wood can coexist.
     
  19. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    No thanks. Injuries + low in assists and drives. If he had a more flexible contract maybe would take a risk.

    Wood is a better chance of appreciating in value. Can rebound, defend and block shots way better than Porter.
     
  20. dmoneybangbang

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    Even though wins mean nothing, it means something with our "war chests" or "assets". Our picks this year and next year our among our most prized trade chips because there's a belief they'll be low.

    You can't both sign Wood and expect to keep our assets as valuable unless we are ditching guys like Tate. Frankly, Tate is more untouchable and valuable than an offensive big with a checkered past. Unless Wood continues his trend of getting injuries.

    That's fine if you are saying you want to compete with Wood, but we just have to acknowledge you could potentially go from building up your assets to depreciating them.
     

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