[Charania] Sources: The Indiana Pacers are moving toward rebuild, receptive to trade talks centered

I've been waiting for the Myles Turner breakout year since 2016, thats his own damn fault lmao

 

Ouch…. Well he has a point to some extent, he only takes 9 shots a game and is extremely efficient… basically 40% on 3’s and nearly 70% on 2’s. However I would point out that he cannot put the ball on the floor and isn’t special at drawing fouls.

 

Has never averaged 15ppg, or even 8 boards a game in his 7-year career, under 4 different coaches, despite being a starter since 30 games into his rookie season.

 

Yikes stay away from our team

 

Depends on how you value or view him. He is an exceptional shot blocker that can play defense at a very high level. He is a solid rebounder and three point shooter as well.

Can he get to 20 points a game? Probably, but not much more than that because he can’t put the ball on the floor and doesn’t really run the floor well enough in transition to get easy buckets.

So what is a player like that worth? He is ideally an all star role player on an elite team. A better version of Serge Ibaka is possible.

 

So he's basically a glorious role player

 

I've never, ever seen Serge Ibaka play as soft as Myles Turner. Especially back when Serge was in his prime.

 

Yeah Ibaka at times played soft or was exposed in certain matchups. I don’t consider Ibaka a soft player but he had his moments…. Turner is a good player and can help a team win, but he isn’t a franchise player.

 

Basically yes… although I can understand him wanting an opportunity to be more… he is getting 15 points a night on less than 10 shots.

 

Right, it's a classic situation of a really good role player wanting a bigger role. Often they can find that on a much worse team, the points go up, the efficiency goes down, once that player returns to a winning situation he has to revert to his prior role or essentially be a head case like Dwert and demand more responsibility than whats optimal for his skills.

Maybe he has a personal issue with how he's being treated by individuals within the organization, but as for his actual role, he is a glorious (glorified) role player who has always been put in the correct position to succeed on the court as far as I can see. He's like a C version of prime Covington, a real difference-maker on the court, who shouldn't be concerned with being an offensive focal point.

 

https://theathletic.com/3011544/202...alks-and-more-nba-news-and-notes-inside-pass/

Pacers two-time All-Star Domantas Sabonis is expected to generate strong interest and is among the attractive players who could be available in a trade. The Suns and Kings have shown interest in recent years, sources said.

A slew of teams will pursue Pacers center Myles Turner, but it will come down to the Pacers’ price tag on both he and Sabonis being met. It’s believed to be more likely just one is moved. The Athletic reported last week that the Pacers are beginning to move toward a rebuild and are receptive to trade talks to potentially move guard Caris LeVert and either Sabonis or Turner.

 

I would say 2004-05 T-Mac was still a top five player in my opinion. That was his best year as a Rocket in terms of individual performance. That was also Yao’s best year as well, in terms of health and durability.

After that season, while we did make the playoffs two more times, it was never the same because those two were never healthy at the same time.

 

In the last 15 years who has tanked to get more than two top 4 picks and it has led to at least a finals appearance? Conference finals appearance?

The only team I can think of that's even come close to being successful with this strategy is Philly. Everyone else has either hit the lotto through free agency, trade and/or players outplaying where they were drafted.

And most of their top picks haven't even worked out. Embid is really the only guy left standing. If Philly is to get over the hump it will be through trade or free agency.

 

Pacers still interested in Ben Simmons, want to move only one of Sabonis/Turner, and have no intentions of trading Brogdon.

Sounds like it’s going to be more of a retool than complete rebuild.

 

He was his first year.

But yeah, that generation was pretty stacked from top to bottom.

 

I disagree a little.

The Sixers are not OKC or the old Spurs, not GSW.

Let's just say some organizations have more luck and draft better than others.

And you probably need a good hand with rookies. That is a must.

The Rockets have always been mediocre in drafting other than drafting from the Number 1 position. Or the 2nd round.

If you know your limitations, you probably focus heavily on trades as the FA market isn't always an option either.

The Magic selected Sabonis and unloaded him to the Thunder in exchange for Ibaka and fillers on draft night.

 

That's kind of the point. Planned multi year tanking is avant-garde. It's not something that many teams have done before. Really only the process Sixers and the current Thunder. Most teams will only tank mid season or for a whole season at most like the pre Duncan Spurs or the Heat for Beasly or the "I don't want to be here" Suns. This approach to team building is brand new and it's the reason that the Sixers got so much heat and Hinkie got fired. That's why it annoys me when people bring up the Kings or Wolves as case studies for why this doesn't work. The Sixers are really the only case study there is so far.

 

The Suns finished last in the west 3 years in a row, just kept swinging and missing with top draft picks (Bender, Chriss, Jackson, Culver).

There have been a number of teams that embarked on multi-year tanks, The mid 80s Rockets for Sampson and Hakeem and the early 90s magic for Shaq and Penny are the two most successful examples I can recall.