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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by pgabriel, Nov 30, 2021.

  1. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    He was disciplined. Police officers are union. It's not that simple to fire them
     
  2. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    @bobrek

    That's not your only post in the thread. You haven't supported police officers in any of them

    You're in denial

    Then you wonder why people question you being a Republican
     
  3. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    The Union may have negotiated the policy, but it's still the policy of the department. I agree that Police unions are bad for America. The only union that can negotiate who can and can't be arrested.

    There needs to be federal restrictions on what Police unions can negotiate. The should only be able to negotiate money, hours, and working conditions. They should not be able to negotiate discipline and investigation practices.
     
  4. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Negotiating discipline is part of the reason the exist

    Other than that cops every where survive stupidity. That doesn't prove anything. It's easy to criticize in hindsight. No one from the department defended him during the trial.

    Training someone to be a police officer costs a lot of money. That's your answer. Not to mention the demand for new recruits
     
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    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    Let's eliminate that reason.
     
  6. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Please find anywhere on any of my posts on my entire 20+ years of history on this site where I have ever said that more than a small minority of officers are racist or "bad cops". Just one... just one..
     
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    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    This was my third post in this thread. I responded to one of your posts considering traffic stops with a factual article and another about cops being jerks.

    My question to you is (I assume you consider yourself a conservative, but, please correct me if I am wrong).

    Let's assume 1% of all officers are racist (minority cops can be racist as well). Do you support the very small minority of racist cops?
     
  8. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    So why are you so adamant here?
     
  9. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    No just like you in the other post. You're the one posting these obscure ass incidents. I guess it's your obsession with proving me wrong.

    I don't mean to confuse your hangups
     
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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    @bobrek

    Saw that other guy call you out. It had nothing to do with me calling you out a year ago. To random ass posters calling you out claiming Republican.
     
  11. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    And "the other guy" has yet to find one single post of mine where I espouse liberal views.

    But, I gotta admit, if being against the vast minority of racist and bad cops makes me a liberal, then I guess I am a proud liberal, because I am always against racists and bad people.

    So, again, I ask, do you support the small minority of racist and bad cops? Seems a simple yes or no answer.
     
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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Where did I support them.im supporting police departments and you came in with the individual cops so don't get on your horse or wonder why we're callyout your politics

    My whole ****in point on the whole ****in thread is individual racists don't define police
     
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  13. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    I agree that the small minority of racist and bad cops do not define the entirety of law enforcement. But, I also think we as a nation, would do well to rid the department of racist and bad cops. When departments and cities try to get rid of them, isn't that a good thing?
     
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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    It's not that simple bro. So when one is found to be racist the media shouldn't run with institutional racism. That would be much easier
     
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    But there is institutional racism. Why should the media not be allowed to report on it?
     
  16. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Institutional racism isn't why so many young black men wind up in the justice system.

    I disagree that there is institutional racism. It's a theory. This country has outlawed discrimination. That's all it can do. Because a guy like Chaivin makes it through system doesn't prove institutional racism.
     
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  17. FranchiseBlade

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    Theory by scientific standards shows that there is evidence that has been applied.

    There are numerous studies that have shown institutional racism including different sentences for the same crime with the same number of prior offense based on race. You already acknowledged the traffic stops. Different application based on race is institutional racism.
     
  18. tinman

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    There's racism in everything.
    I'm sure there are racist plumbers, but who are you going to call if your pipes need to be fixed?

    demonizing the police only makes it better for criminals

    like i said, if a criminal saw me and you, and i was wearing Timex and you were wearing Rolex
    he's not going to rob the dude with the Timex

    @pgabriel
     
  19. tinman

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    Only humans can be racists, so if in the future, law enforcement is replaced by AI and robotics, that solves that problem.
    that would be wonderful.
    @Xerobull
     
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  20. FranchiseBlade

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    Getting rid of institutional racism doesn't make it easier to be a criminal, or worse for cops.
     

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