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Joe Biden's America

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by SuraGotMadHops, May 12, 2021.

  1. Astrodome

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    We will be ok. MSNBC is lasered focused on to trump right now so I guess midterms are right around the corner.
     
  2. dobro1229

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    Like in 2020 I would LOVE to be wrong but unfortunately they tried to do exactly what I said they were going to try (and didn’t even factor in the violent insurrection) while you were saying the same thing (you’re overreacting etc etc). I honestly think the people in Trumps ear (Bannon, Stone,etc.) listen to left leaning podcasts and radio to hear what Dems are afraid that Trump will do and then use it as inspiration. It’s crazy how accurate people were and even undersold how bad and brazen the attempt would be.

    So I hope you are right and I am wrong.

    * on an optimistic note though I don’t think it’s baked in that the Dems will lose big in 22. I think retaining the Senate is within reach as is picking up some key governorships.
     
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    I agree it's not baked in because Republicans can't get out of their own way, I expect a lot of infighting and crazies to be running in 2022 for the republican party and a couple of finance scandals these people are not very smart.
     
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  5. dobro1229

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    I also think they are massively underestimating how damaging it'll be the moment that Trump is thrust back into the spotlight when he announces he's running, names a VP etc. and the media starts covering his latest bizarre behaviors.

    Say what you want about Dems, but the base voters and the core activist groups moved quick to make sure Hillary was put into retirement. There's just not that level of intelligence on the right, and they tend to just get lucky more than execute good strategy.

    Trump just won't be able to resist making 2022 about him, and that's the biggest wildcard here. Glenn Younkin types could be the face of the 2022 Red Wave, or Trump could be the face of 2022 and it could be Georgia Senate race 2020 2.0 where Dems win because of Trump's involvement.

    So we'll see.... I'm not as doom and gloom as you might think, but I've unfortunately been right in the past, and we've seen that there's a failure of imagination about what the right is willing to do to get back in power, and I think the most important point I've taken away in the past few years is that the radicalization of the right wing media has led to a Republican base that hates Democrats more than it loves the country. That's just a fact that sort of colors all of these political scenarios we throw against the wall. Just really something.
     
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    I agree but I don't think there are as many radicalized Republicans as you think and they will not come out in force unless Trump is running.

    Now there are a lot of Republicans who are willing to vote for a Younkin type and that's why Democrats cannot be complacent, When and if inflation starts going down and the supply issues are dealt with 2012 will not be a red wave-like everybody thinks.
     
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    I wouldn't even really classify all Republican voters right now because they don't really have a choice in front of them. The voters are blessed with not having to choose any position (see my post earlier about how the usual suspects here only respond with unfunny joke attempts because they think they can stand behind that).

    But....70 million of them voted for Trump in 2020 so maybe that doesn't prove that ALL of them are radicalized autocrats by nature, but it does prove that they will vote as a radicalized autocrat IF FoxNews is telling them that the Democrats are an existential threat to their existence.... which they are, and will continue to do. You and I know most of these people, and they are friends/family who are otherwise good people... but boy do they hate Democrats (to my overarching point in my last post). You drop anyone in the desert without water, and they'd drink their own pee if they thought it was the only way they could survive... that's kind of the ecosystem that FoxNews has created right now that we have to contend with.

    But the sliver of actual swing voters in between do actually swing back and forth, and that's who really matters in these elections in combination with excellent turnout.

    So yeah... get inflation/supply chain/Covid under control, have a great strategy for turnout, have great jobs based messaging for the middle, and properly define what is actually going on with the Republicans & the stakes at which this election holds, and they should do fine, and hold enough state level positions to feel good about 2024 running smooth and prepared for the Trump shenanigans.
     
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    I think the left is doing a good job with their messaging regarding employment right now. Got to give credit where credit is due.
     
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    This is where I think Democrats have really missed the boat. In all the focus on demographic trends, they never really stopped to consider what happens if voters within those demographics shift support. I think both Latino and Black men are a major re-alignment risk factor for Dems. The flipside is that Dems are trying to win over white suburban and educated voters, but the policies they are focusing on in the media don't really connect well here. Dems are shrinking their tent, and while people don't necessarily support the GOP on most issues (they have no real policies at all), they will still move away from Dems.
     
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    I agree with this to point but I don't think there is much they can do to sway black and Hispanic men who would vote for Trump.

    Now I think being super progressive is a turn-off for that demographic its a fine line to get them on board and almost impossible for anybody that would vote for Trump.

    Will be interesting to see how polls are trending toward the summer.
     
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    I think, right or wrong, Dems are “less macho” while GOP has been putting on the “macho, tough guy costume” on.
     
  15. Major

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    Agree with both of these. I wasn't real clear in my post, but I'm OK with the Dems losing certain parts of the coalition - they just need to proactively recognize it and pursue other new voters. Right now, they feel very reactive and have no long-term plan. They won over the suburbs in 2018 but really haven't done anything to keep them. Right now, it's just a "we hated Trump so we voted for you" thing. It could easily end up that they go back to the GOP while the GOP holds their new voters, and Dems have a major problem on their hands.
     
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    I'm glad I don't care who's in office anymore.

    Bitcoin fixes this.
     
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    C.P.I. report is expected to show fastest pace of inflation in 40 years.
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    Consumers across the country can tell you that inflation has been high this year, evidenced by more expensive used cars, pricier furniture and the ongoing demise of New York City’s famous dollar slice. But until recently, policymakers in Washington responded to it with a common refrain: Rapid price increases were likely to be transitory.

    Last week, policymakers said it was time to retire the label “transitory,” and acknowledged that the price increases have been proving more persistent than expected.

    Jerome H. Powell, the Fed chair, said that while his basic expectation is that price gains will cool off, there’s a growing threat that they won’t do so soon or sufficiently.

    “I think the risk of higher inflation has increased,” he said.

    A fresh report set for release on Friday is expected to reinforce that concern. The Consumer Price Index could show that inflation picked up by 6.8 percent over the past year, the fastest pace in nearly 40 years. More worrisome for the Fed is that inflation is broadening to many products and services, not just those directly affected by the supply chain woes that have driven up prices for cars and electronics.

    When economists and policymakers talk about “inflation,” they typically mean the increase in prices for the things that people buy out of pocket — tracked by the Consumer Price Index, or C.P.I. — or the change in the cost of things that people consume either out of pocket or through government payments and insurance, which is tracked by the less-timely Personal Consumption Expenditures index.

    Both measures are way up this year, and C.P.I. data set for release on Friday is expected to show that inflation picked up by the most since 1982.

    Price gains are increasingly coming from sectors with a less clear-cut, obviously temporary pandemic tieback. Rents, which make up a big chunk of inflation, are rising at a solid clip.

    “Housing — that is the key broadening,” said Laura Rosner, an economist at MacroPolicy Perspectives.

    The potential for wider and more lasting price pressures have put Fed officials on edge. Policymakers at the central bank, who had been slowly tiptoeing away from supporting the economy, broadcast clearly last week that they are preparing to speed up the retreat.

    “They know this report is coming,” Ms. Rosner said of Friday’s anticipated number. “It’s going to confirm and explain why we’ve seen such a sharp shift.”

    There are plenty of differences between 1982 and today. Inflation had been low for years leading up to 2021, and pandemic-era lockdowns and the subsequent reopening are behind much of the current price pop. READ MORE →

     
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    The part that matters.

    Federal government spending money on infrastructure and social safety nets isn't what is causing inflation. It's a supply chain issue through and through. Anyone involved in manufacturing would know this.
     
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