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D&D Coronavirus thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Feb 23, 2020.

  1. Invisible Fan

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    How much resistance is politically motivated though? Our vax percentage is comparable to other modern nations with more than 20 million people. There just seems to be people who have either fallen through the cracks (poor or out of reach) along with the feckless who can but won't. Actively shaming the feckless isn't doing much to unwind the cycle of distrust between those poor and traditional civil services (or society) that typically looks down upon them as lessor beings or a burden.

    I think @Os Trigonum posted a thread about unvaccinated who got shoehorned into a political affiliation, but don't let him know I actually read and consider the articles he posts.:D;)
     
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  2. Amiga

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    So, what do you think Biden should have done differently?

    Hindsight, I think ...
    1- rapid testing available to everyone for free
    2- no vaccine mandate but greatly restrict access for unvaccinated by choice (but I realize the Fed Gov probably doesn't have the power to do this, so moot point)

    As for mandating vaccination sooner, I don't think he could have done that unless he could legally mandate a EUA vaccine. Pfz covid vax moved from EUA to approval on 8/23/21. Biden announces covid vaccine requirements two weeks later.

    Other than rapid testing, I don't think he could have done much more.
     
  3. rocketsjudoka

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    Other than the rapid testing I'm not sure what more Biden could or should do. These "mandates" are actually pretty mild given that even if fully implemented would only apply to businesses over 100 employees. They also have a testing option so no one would actually be forced to take the vaccines. I don't think Constitutionally the US government could force everyone to take the vaccine regardless of employment circumstances.

    What we're seeing is like so many problems this comes down to a problem with culture. Our culture has become so partisan that we can't even agree on basic health. If this had been the situation decades ago we would still have small pox and polio.
     
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  4. Os Trigonum

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    Nice. Is it coming our way?
     
  7. rocketsjudoka

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    Those who are poor and falling through the cracks can be addressed through increased access and covering costs. That is largely being taken care of. Most of the open resistance we’re seeing is ideologically based, just read through this thread as evidence.

    I get it we shouldn’t shame people but they’ve tried convincing them, bribing them and pressuring them. Short of actual force which I don’t think could be Constitutionally used there isn’t much that can be done. I would say just let them go and they either live or die but we really are in this together.

    A large group of unvaccinated prevents us from reaching heard immunity, is a resevoir for new variants and taxes our health care system. What they and others consider private behavior actually has a profound public affect.
     
  8. deb4rockets

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    I can't think of one good reason why vaccinated Americans or foreigners need to pay for a Covid test to enter the country when they are arriving from countries with much stricter Covid regulations than here. You can't even fly here without being vaccinated if you don't fall under certain exemptions.

    Covid Laws are so lax in states like Texas and Florida, and practically anywhere else in this country that people are more much more at risk sitting on a domestic flight than an international flight. So, why are unvaccinated not required to test before flying in our own country? If the laws and regulations for flying are meant to protect those flying and stop the spread then why is it different in our own country? It's hypocrisy in my eyes.

    When I was in Ireland everyone was required to wear masks indoors. People had to show proof of vaccination to go into pubs and restaurants. Chef's and staff wear masks. Here, your cook, the workers, the patrons aren't even required to mask or be vaccinated. You are much more at risk of being around people with Covid. Americans are much more prone to be Covid spreaders than people coming from countries where Covid spread protection precautions are mandatory. I just don't get it.

    I think Biden can do better. I know he's better than Trump, but I still believe he should change the policies. If he doesn't have the power to do that then our system is fu*ked up in this country. Politicians have their own agendas no matter what they say, and keeping CEOs and big businesses, along with the rich and powerful rich is always a priority to keep their donors happy. They act like these policies are set to protect us from a Covid spread yet don't even do it in our own country. It makes no sense.
     
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    NY Post editorial yesterday argues for basically the same conclusion

    https://nypost.com/2021/12/03/daily...ent-of-the-us-population-its-time-to-move-on/
     
  10. Amiga

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    LOL, if that's true, that's just stupid. It's airborne and a metal fence ain't going to do ****.

    EDIT: Yea, it's fake news.
     
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    Its a conspiracy

     
  12. bobrek

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    You do know that's not real, don't you?
     
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    Many things we did not think were real initially.....like border crosser wins a 450k lotto.
     
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    So we are simply going to pretend that East and West Germany did not exist?
     
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