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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Feb 23, 2020.

  1. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    So, I went to the Brighteon website and searched for the word Pfizer. The following picture shows the most recent things posted about Pfizer.
    Screenshot_20211203-073702_Firefox.jpg

    Is it one of these stories? If not, why don't you show a picture of the story and how you arrived at it? I had absolutely no trouble copying a link from a "Pfizer on the Simpsons" video. Here it is

    https://www.brighteon.com/91fabda8-8c0c-43af-a29d-0fcbe03e9991

    Please post a screen shot of the censorship error you get. Thanks

    Or, are you getting this from brighteon.social?
    It's odd how little data some of y'all include.
     
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  2. FranchiseBlade

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    They didn't say that in the report. What in the report makes you think they said that?

    Where are you getting it from?
     
  3. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    @coachbadlee

    This is from the brighteon.social website

    "Fact-checking" is just the excuse for tech giants like Twitter, Google, Wikipedia, YouTube or Facebook to interrupt the communications of conservative or pro-Trump users with radical left-wing propaganda messages. The very idea that a tech company led by communists and radical left-wing socialists could claim a monopoly on “facts” is absurd. No one has a monopoly on facts, and the entire fact-checking fiasco of the Big Tech ecosystem has boiled down to politically targeted censorship run by radical left-wing propagandists who are truly mentally ill in the fact that they actually believe their delusions are an accurate map of reality."
     
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    https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-...restrictions-mask-approval-rating-11638485778

    Biden’s Covid Quagmire
    He can’t keep his promise to ‘beat’ the virus. Can he escape it before it’s too late?
    By Kimberley A. Strassel
    Dec. 2, 2021 6:25 pm ET

    Candidate Joe Biden’s fib was that he could “beat” a global virus. President Biden’s mistake was to swallow his own whopper. Welcome to the Biden virus quagmire.

    The White House on Thursday released its latest list of Covid rules in anticipation of a rise in winter cases and the arrival of the Omicron variant. The administration imposed new testing rules for international travelers, extended its transportation mask mandate, and announced it would launch hundreds of vaccination clinics and a campaign for boosters, distribute 25 million free tests, and allow reimbursement for home testing.

    Feel better now? Confident that this time we’ll whup the virus? Of course not. If there’s one thing a weary world has realized, it’s that there’s no beating a highly transmissible respiratory disease. Vaccines prevent serious disease, but they don’t stop transmission. No amount of masking, social distancing or locking down has stopped the surges of the past six months, including in states like Michigan and New Mexico, which boasted about their restrictions. The virus doesn’t follow executive orders.

    But the Biden administration hasn’t worked this out. The White House has instead created for itself a toxic Covid loop. With each new surge it rolls out more restrictions and actions. With each failure of these measures to beat the virus, the public loses faith. Cue yet more administration rules that are designed to restore confidence, even as they are destined both to fail and to annoy the country.

    In January it was Mr. Biden’s 198-page plan to get the virus under control in “months.” In March it was a $2 trillion Covid bill, with tens of billions for vaccines, contact tracing, health departments, hot spots and “mitigation.” Then the summer surge, which provoked the administration first to implement new testing requirements for federal employees and contractors, and then to produce a “six part” plan, including vaccine mandates. Now a winter surge has brought even more mandates and other measure.

    The degree to which this strategy is failing is evident in the polls. Americans’ approval of Mr. Biden’s handling of the virus has fallen more than 20 points since he was sworn into office, according to the RealClearPolitics average. The past two months have churned out his worst polling on the issue since taking office.

    Worse for the administration, the public is showing signs that its lack of confidence is morphing into growing dislike of the president’s measures. While a majority of Americans still favor vaccine mandates, that number is slipping. Covid rules, including school masking, infuriated suburban parents and contributed to the GOP’s Virginia victories. There’s annoyance over constantly changing directives, supposedly based on science—who should wear a mask where and when, who should get a booster when, and whether or how much the vaccine is effective. Americans resent the stench of politics in too many decisions—whether it be the teachers unions’ role in school-reopening guidance or Mr. Biden’s embrace of travel bans that he called “xenophobic” when Donald Trump was president.

    Mostly, there’s growing frustration with forever-moving goal posts. Americans were told earlier this year that a vaccine jab was their ticket back to normality. In early June, Mr. Biden promised “a summer of joy and freedom.” Summer and fall brought a whole new raft of restrictions, which were applied even to those who were vaccinated. The White House’s statement this week accompanying its new rules warns again about the possibility of school closures and business lockdowns.

    Mr. Biden’s self-defeating strategy perhaps shouldn’t be surprising, if recent statements by White House advisers reflect the quality of advice the president is getting. Chief of staff Ron Klain this week tweeted that “Stronger COVID measures produce STRONGER ECONOMIC outcomes”—a claim that is demonstrably untrue, based on the far better economic progress of states like Florida that ended lockdowns quickly. Deputy press secretary Andrew Bates accused House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy of “actively undermining the fight against Covid, which is driving inflation.” Inflation is certainly spreading, but not because people are coughing it on each other.

    It’s one thing to promise the impossible to get elected—that’s spin. Continuing to promise the impossible while in office is political malpractice. The White House had an opportunity this spring to reset its endgame. It could have taken credit for a quick vaccine rollout and for helping the country to make the transition to “living with” the virus. It could have moved off the daily obsession with case counts and positivity rates, which go up when asymptomatic people get tested. It could have used subsequent surges to redouble its vaccination message (since most new hospitalizations are still among the unvaccinated).

    The Biden administration at some point will realize that its political fortunes are tied to a virus that isn’t going anywhere. The longer it takes to make a clean break, the likelier it is to succumb to Covid.

    Write to kim@wsj.com.

     
  5. T_Man

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    So how are they counting the deaths..
    1. Starting from 1 When Biden took office in Jan 2021
    2. Continuation of the death count once Biden took office...

    T_Man
     
  6. Amiga

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    When Biden became President, we were in the middle of the peak with ~4k death per day. There probably have been more cumulative covid death under Biden's presidency than Trump and it will increase.

    But why does that matter? If you want to talk about responsibility for covid death (80-90+% among unvaccinated), it's on the party and leadership that push antivax and antimask messages and policies. That's squarely on the Republicans and yes, if that's a criterion for staying in office, Republicans that pushed these messages and policies should resign.
     
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    “The newest batch of online stupid maintains that omicron is a hoax,” said Colbert. “Their proof? If you scramble the letters of omicron, you get the word moronic.”
     
  8. Rashmon

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    Explains much of our usual suspects thinking in here...
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  9. coachbadlee

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    This one.

    https://www.brighteon.com/89e15a71-9450-4c5f-9100-7f6077945885
     
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    Earlier when I would try to post links from Brighteon I was having issues. I guess not anymore.
     
  12. coachbadlee

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    Well the way America is trying to present Omicron is moronic.
     
  13. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    So within the first minute he is already saying incorrect info. It was the FDA not Pfizer asking for the 55 year delay. That's really way too easy to fact check.

    I'll keep watching but that web site is horribly slow.

    Also, why isn't this News on sites like OANN and Newsmax and is only being reported by David Sancheezy?
     
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  14. coachbadlee

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    Not sure. I think those other 2 sites are more politically motivated.
     
  15. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    I'm on a plane so viewing is problematic, however it appears he is talking about data from the VAERS database. The way that works is if a person receives a vaccine and subsequently dies it may be reported into that DB depending on whether or not a doctor or relative reports it. Those deaths get reported even if the death had nothing to do with the vaccine. The death is then looked into and a determination made.

    The same with Adverse Effects. For example, technically my 5 minutes worth of a metallic taste after my second dose was an AE.
     
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  16. Amiga

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    Conspiracy to hide:

    Under Emergency Use Authorization, FDA requires healthcare professionals to report to VAERS certain adverse eventsexternal icon that occur after COVID-19 vaccination. CDC also encourages reporting of any medically important adverse event even if it isn’t clear if the vaccine caused the health problem. This helps public health officials monitor and follow-up on possible safety problems. Learn more about selected adverse events reported to VAERS.
     
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  17. T_Man

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    Oh it matters... But I was just curious how you came up with that number since Biden has only been in office for a year and virus started around 2019.. How many of those deaths are from individuals who are vaccinated and from those who are not?

    Both Sides far left and far right like to change numbers and graphs to fit their needs or statements, never an apples to apples comparison...

    T_Man
     
  18. Rashmon

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    Why are you trying to rationally discuss this with an individual so completely divorced from reality?

    Kudos for your efforts.
     
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  19. Amiga

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    Data is not left or right. I'm sure there is some manipulation at the state level, but overall, it should be fine. The first covid death in the US was in ~March 2020. Roughly, from this source, there was ~400k death when Biden was inaugurated (1/20/21). There has been ~400k death since, for a total of ~800k. Since vaccines were made available to everyone 18+ (~March 2021), there have been 300k death (most of it due to Delta). 80-90% of that 300k is likely preventable (with vaccination).

    Why do you think it matters? If we simply are talking about covid death and nothing else, before vaccines were available, the only things you could do were test, isolate, mask and lockdown. The gov responsibility is to provide tests and policies around isolation, masking, and lockdown. Since vaccines became available, the government's responsibility is to make them widely available as fast as possible. After that, it's up to each individual responsibility to get vaccinated. Again, if you only look at death and nothing else, the "blame" is almost black and white. One party and media were against lockdown, masking, testing and that same party and media later were against policies to help increase vaccination (and some members of the party were actively spreading anti-vax messages).
     
  20. rocketsjudoka

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    Biden's mistake was being naive about the extent that this is politicized and opposition to the vaccine ideological. The Biden Admin and others' efforts have made the vaccine available to every American who wants it. The America Rescue Package helped to maintain much needed confidence in the economy and even though recovery has been uneven it's still been significant. We might never have been able to eradicate the disease but we certainly could have it far more under control than we do now.

    Also I give the previous Admin. credit for getting the vaccines developed in record time and getting the first two CARES packages passed. While certainly they could and the Ex President could do more through the actions of two Administrations both Republican and Democrat we have the means to control this disease. We just need people to take them.
     
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