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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Feb 23, 2020.

  1. tinman

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    Thank goodness LeBron survived
     
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    Still shoveling material for the Republican Party, with a glittering eye.
     
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    Definitely could be. Not an unreasonable presumption.
     
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    Irony is good no?
     
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    General at it again. No life!

    at least he could honor his bets like a real man..
     
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    The ginger was doing a two step and never answered the question. Lol
     
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    But are you a real doctor? That’s what everyone wants to know.
     
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    Wow, I’ve never seen a press secretary do that. Completely unheard of. Lol
     
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    Yes I agree, but this ginger does not give a fukk anymore and that’s why it is so entertaining.
     
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    You are answering a post about a doctor 8n the medical community where it was 1st reported claiming that. Sooo.....
     
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    Its on the Brighteon website. Something about Pfizer wanting to hide data for 50+years but are being forced to submit 500 pages of data a month. 42000 cases of injury/death in the 1st 90 days. Plus more.
     
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    If you have the link please post it. Bobrek’s been asking us for proof left and right. We know it is out there, just a matter of time before they can’t hide it from the public anymore.
     
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    I tried before and I couldn't. Censorship issues.
     
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    because it came from a mid 2020 lineage




    But Bedford says that when you look at the family tree for this omicron variant, there's something surprising: "With omicron, your closest sequences are back from mid-2020 — so over a year ago. That is very rare to see."

    In other words, while scientists can tell that this variant evolved from a strain that was circulating in mid-2020, in the intervening months there has been no trace of all the intermediate versions that scientists would have expected to find as it morphed into its current form.



    How to explain this?

    Hypothesis No. 1: The animal source
    It's possible, says Bedford, that the mid-2020 strain infected some unknown animal population, evolved as it spread among that population and has just recently spilled back over into humans.

    But Bedford thinks that this hypothesis is unlikely to prove true. "This is getting technical," he says. But the gist is that you'd expect to see signs of the animal's genetic material in the genome, and instead there's an insertion of human RNA "that suggests that along [omicron's evolutionary] branch, it was evolving in a human."

    Hypothesis No. 2: "Cryptic spread" in an unmonitored region
    Another possibility, says Bedford, is that the mid-2020 strain started circulating in a location where there hasn't been a lot of monitoring — "perhaps somewhere in southern Africa." That would have enabled the virus to evolve under the radar all this time. "And eventually, by the time you get to 2021, it's picked up enough mutations that it has become [much more] transmissible and then kind of explodes onto the scene at that point," says Bedford.

    But he also finds this scenario — which scientists sometimes refer to as "cryptic spread" — hard to believe. "Because it would seem that as [this strain of the virus] was on its path to becoming omicron and becoming a quite transmissible virus, [the earlier versions] would have started to spread more widely before just now." And at that point, those earlier strains would have been noticed in countries that do have robust surveillance systems.

    Lessells agrees. On the one hand, he notes, there certainly are countries in Africa where there has not been much ongoing sampling of the coronavirus. Indeed, he says, earlier in the coronavirus pandemic, South Africa's labs picked up a variant that hadn't been seen before through testing a traveler from Tanzania, one of several sub-Saharan African countries "where they weren't measuring the epidemic very well."

    "Now," he adds, "that variant, to our knowledge, never really took off in any area. And we still don't know to what extent that was circulating in Tanzania and what the significance of it was." But he says the episode — and others like it — illustrate that once a variant reaches South Africa, at least, it is least likely to get identified. "We have seven [genomic] sequencing hubs that are each connected to the public and private diagnostic labs across the country," he says.

    Also, omicron in particular triggers a notable signature in the PCR tests that are being conducted on a routine basis to confirm infections. This warning flag, in fact, is what spurred a private lab to send samples to Lessells and his colleagues, who, upon sequencing them, discovered the omicron variant. "If you've got representative sequencing and frequent sequencing, and if you can be nimble enough to respond to what you're observing in the cases in the diagnostic lab, then you can pick up these variants that are at a relatively early stage," he says. "So you'd have to have a pretty big blind spot to be missing something that's really evolving over a period of months."

    Hypothesis No. 3: Incubation in an immunocompromised person
    There is, however, one place the virus could have been hiding while it evolved into omicron that probably would have been in health officials' blind spot: inside the body of a single person. Specifically, a person whose immune system was suppressed — for example, as a result of an untreated HIV infection. In such instances, explains Bedford, the person's immune system is still strong enough to prevent the coronavirus from killing the person. But it's not strong enough to completely clear the virus. So the virus lingers inside the person for month after month, continually reproducing. With each replication, there's a chance it will acquire a mutation that makes it better at evading the person's antibody-producing immune cells.
     
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    What's really insidious is how they have convinced every country in the world to be part of their grand covid world conspiracy.

    I sincerely hope you and General Gioan win the battle with the forces of your imagination and expose the truth.
     
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    Thanks.
     
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    Waiting for the art history dropouts to google this
     
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