Delusional high school kids mad that Dave Chappelle is more successful than them

Why are you fighting this so hard?? You can still be a fan of his but call a spade a spade.

Eminem had his moment where he had to work through the public reckoning with the use of homophobic slurs in his music. He didn’t get cancelled… people just voiced their opinion, and he has dialogue and ultimately support from one of the most prominent gay guys in the world. Dave just should have done the heavy lifting or listening behind the scenes and earned the trust from that community.

I just want Dave to move on and not constantly have this be something he has to defend. I think he wants that but we’ll see. I think his hardcore fans though need to stop the hero worship and just realize that other fans of his are allowed to call the guy out and still be fans of his.

 

I mean, they support Dave the person but they also say that online bullying had nothing to do with her suicide. Reading that thread you'd learn that Daphne actually sought out contentious threads on twitter like a DnD member does...

Plenty of things happened, you should read that thread. If not the thread, here is a summary...
https://michaelhobbes.substack.com/p/dave-chappelles-some-of-my-best-friends

So these are the things he lied about...either knowingly or unknowingly.

1. Dave said she died days after the tweet. She didn't.
2. Dave said, quoting here, "They dragged her ass all over Twitter for days." They did not. No one was able to find this dragging.
3. Dave then partially blamed that her own people turned on her. 0 evidence for this.
4. Dave then said it was him and no one else that tried to help her...but also untrue.

I mean I might be missing things here, that was a long expose...

As for the family, well...let's get into it. Her sister DID say that she didn't kill herself because of online bullying, her friend said it was losing custody of her child, paired with losing her job, and bullying OFFLINE. This is 3 people close to her saying this. But lets get into the family...

Let's remember that Dave considered her a friend...I'm not sure what kind of friend doesn't know you have children and only finds out when you die, seems like something that would be established through even a week of friendship...but then let's note that Daphne had met Dave...I think twice? She made posts about whenever she met him because meeting Dave is a pretty big deal. Meeting Dave the first time and having a conversation with him had gotten her an opening spot for one of his shows. Meeting Dave had given her hope that she could make moves in her comedy career, after all connections are powerful in the world of entertainment. She meets Dave again and then she dies before 'The Closer' which causes Dave to do that show in her honor but also give money to the family. A good thing to do whether it was sincere or not...

So why is it a surprise that the Family defends him? They've had nothing but positive interactions with him, they have no reason to hate him...People kiss celebs *** all the time when they meet them. Not sure why this has to be different. I mean again...he didn't even know she had a child until she died.

But none of that changes the fact that what Dave said was untrue. She wasn't dragged all over Twitter for days by the trans community. That didn't happen. Even if it were through DMs, which is unlikely, that still contradicts Dave's claim of 'Being dragged on twitter' a dragging is public. She also didn't kill herself days after the tweet. So yeah, these things just didn't happen man. I don't know what else to tell you. It would be pretty easy to find this dragging if it did but it looks like she had a pretty low profile even after the shout out on Sticks and Stones.

 

Yeah, this isn't going to go away. It's always going to be something someone brings up because it's drama and creates a story.

And he seriously needs to address defending JK Rowling and being 'Team TERF' for a start, but he's never going to grow out of this if his fans continue defending everything he does. He's going into that mode of thinking that some people get that think their **** don't stink and it's because people keep defending every single thing he does.

 

You accused me of something and I just responded to it. Now you say I am fighting what exactly?

I simply disagree with you guys. I don't think you are debating honestly here. It's weird how you do this, and probably I never saw it because I've never debated you before since usually you are at it with conservative posters.

 

Dave LITERALLY brought it up again unprompted at one of those shows too...

 

Honestly, you are just outright ignoring facts that disagree with the opinion you're determined to have. I think that's what he means.

Like for example. Dave outright lied that Daphne died days after being dragged on twitter for days. That literally didn't happen.

 

So let's talk about that "fact". He said days when in fact it was 30 days. That's the difference we are talking about. You call that an outright lie, but I see it as a true statement.

It is your opinion that he lied. And that's why this is exhausting because we can't even agree on the facts.

 

We can't agree on the facts because you're literally ignoring the facts for some reason and then on top of that, downplaying completely that he defended JK Rowling and said he's team TERF.

Saying she died days after that instead of more than a month, 6 weeks after, and then adding that she was dragged on twitter BY THE TRANS COMMUNITY was a straight up lie. It sets up the narrative that her own community turned on her, which is something he said plainly.

This is what he said, not paraphrasing, just quoting. Direct quote.

"It took a lot of heart to defend me like that, and when she did that the trans community dragged that _____ all over Twitter. For days, they was going in on her, and she was holding her own ’cause she’s funny."

This was a lie. There was no dragging on twitter period, at all. It simply did not happen. He lied about that.

 

I don’t see anyone obsessing over nuances unlike the chapelle crusaders. Everybody else is like “it wasn’t a big deal he didn’t say anything different from his take on other groups”


It’s cringe watching people try to keep stretching thsi

 

Even you admit that with Twitter she may have received DM's or the comments may have been deleted cleaned up after her death. They could have been debates in other people's feeds as well, or maybe other channels and he misremembered it as Twitter.

I still don't understand what the point of this is? How do we know who may have criticized her relationship with Chappelle and is it really that germain?

The bottom line is that she and her family saw Chappelle as an ally, not the enemy people here are making him out to be.

 

DMs is pretty unlikely, even so, DMs contradicts a public dragging. You have complete control of who even DMs you.

We can also look back on the internet, especially on twitter, and if you look through it there was no such dragging. I linked an article earlier discussing this. If she was dragged for days these posts would not be hard to find. You can find posts from twitter cancellations from years back...but there is little next to nothing about this supposed cancelling of Daphne. You then have two siblings and her friend saying that bullying online had nothing to do with it, that she was going through a lot of other things...losing her job, losing custody of her child, pretty big things when combined with the usual harassment trans people face.

Not only that, Daphne admitted to using an algorithm to alert her on twitter any time she was mentioned and openly throw herself into tense discussions...and these were usually with the usual transphobic people, not the transcommunity that Dave accused of dragging her. You can look at her twitter history, it's public.

The point here is that Dave told a lie that the Trans community dragged her on twitter for that tweet. They didn't. He made it up that the trans community cancelled her, they didn't. I just don't know why you're defending and excusing him so hard.

I don't know if Dave is an ally or not to Trans people, I don't think defending JK Rowling and saying "I'm Team TERF" seriously helps that case, tbh, ignorance is a temporary excuse here. If some non-black comedian said a bunch of racist jokes, then defends David Duke, then goes "I'm team KKK, I really am." and then ended his stand up about how he had this black friend...yeah, I'd say the guy was racist and move on. I wouldn't want to hear about how it was 'just jokes' and how much this black friend liked this person. I wouldn't care if he didn't know what the KKK was or if he didn't know that David Duke was a vicious racist. I'd consider him racist until he walks back those statements entirely and apologizes. This, from what I can tell, seems to be the reaction from a lot of trans people and their supporters.

But I'm sure he was an ally to Daphne and her family though, as he gave them money and gave her an opportunity and let her brush off of his fame...but I do know at the very least he did a crappy thing and said some crappy stuff. Enough to have him canceled? No. But enough to call it out and tell him he was wrong for doing it. Sure.

 

And you are of course entitled to your opinion here. Mine is that he isn't hurting the transgender community with his comedy but this back and forth isn't helping them either as it activates right wing groups and starts to create a divide between the left and the rest of the country.

 

Unfortunately, that's already happened. Dave's new fans have been harassing trans people, the people that spoke out against him are the ones openly being dragged. You can see that on twitter too.

I feel like Dave gave these people ammunition and you can see the same things he said they are literally repeating to actual trans people. You'll even see people condemning the LGBTQ+ community as a whole based on the lie he told that the trans community harassed her. I could really just pull up an entire page of tweets that are replies to the trans people that dared to criticize him...the ones that actually got fired and suspended and getting dragged publically on twitter even still today....but I know that won't change your mind at all.

 

Just.Let.It.Go

 

Exactly everyone’s point, you guys need to let it go

 

Lol, it's odd to me...like who started the thread? You responded in the thread, multiple times.

I think the let it go is silly, you replying, @Sweet Lou 4 2 is replying, tinman here still making posts. No one is forcing any of you to post in this thread or reply to me or anyone else.

Don't hide behind that, you're better than that.