Delusional high school kids mad that Dave Chappelle is more successful than them

The just jokes argument falls completely flat when you consider the history of racist jokes. You don't get to decide what is and isn't offensive to a community that you're not even part of. Saying "It's just jokes" puts you in the position to defend every edgy joke made because...it's just jokes, meant to be funny, why aren't you laughing?

I'm also confused at this 'strong' movement to cancel him. Doesn't seem like it's been too effective. It sounds like people are criticizing his work and some of his fans can't take that criticism. Some closer to the situation did do something, they did all they could do, which was simply speak out about it and try to use the moment to educate people and these are the people that actually have lost their jobs ironically and will maybe have issues finding work in the industry moving forward.

Kevin Hart has had the best take on this whole thing IMO, way better than the usual simple "Just jokes! Get over it!" take, because like I said...Minstrel shows are just jokes too, so why not let people do them? My guess is most people know there are jokes that go too far, the difference is, most people are not trans and so these jokes about trans people don't hit them and so they shrug and go "Just jokes, who cares." That's how we can have a smiling red skinned Indian as a mascot for a major sports team for 50 some odd years and no one bats an eye despite many native americans telling people (to little effect because it's just a logo get over it) that it was offensive.

Any ways, here's Kevin's take on it.

I'll add, Kevin handled his 'cancellation' with complete class. Owned up to it, moved on.

Also, other groups DID cry out about his stand up, you just didn't hear about it because that wasn't the media focus. The focus was on the internal strife it caused some people that also worked with netflix that were upset and insulted by those jokes, as they have a right to be, and that was a bigger story because Netflix actually suspended and fired some of those people...these were the actual people canceled through all of this.

Oh, and I think outside of that one person, who simply just quit netflix out of disgust, their list of demands never asked for Dave's special to be taken off Netflix, it was posted online, it was mostly just asking for a trigger flag before the show and more security in the workplace for Trans people...so this whole idea that they tried to cancel him...is false. Sure, someone did want it taken off Netflix but you have people that want to cancel Harry Potter, Pokemon, and any number of things...it doesn't mean there is this huge movement to cancel Dave. Outside of that one person (Jacyln something...) I mean most of them explicitly said they didn't want his show taken off of Netflix. If only people ever tried looking at the other side of this they would see that the group of trans employees (and their supporters) were not actually trying to cancel him or have him taken off netflix.

If there was this huge movement to cancel him as imagined, then he'd be canceled or at least wouldn't be selling out shows and riding the momentum from his 'cancellation'. It's that simple. If you want to see canceled celebs, Dave ain't one of them.

 

I'll leave this here...



Maybe Carlin wasn't old school enough though...who knows at this point.

Also, Pryor once said in an interview that you can say what you like but it better be funny. This idea that you can just say whatever you like even if it is an insult with no backlash is silly to me. If I joke about your mama, your sister, your daughter, and grandmama, I know that better be funny or there might be issues between us.

There's a reason why friends can joke about you personally but strangers can't.

 

having to tell a bunch of children that you are better than them is.....sad

hope Dave gets some help

 

Chappelle is king.

 

You should listen to this:
"The Fake Crusade for Free Speech - Behind the Bastards | iHeart" https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-...de/the-fake-crusade-for-free-speech-46765887/

It seems like you've gone down some interest rabbit hole.

Most of the "Woe is me, I'm being canceled" is nothing but pure grifting by finding a few examples of the most vocal and using that to fire up the fanbase and right wingers to think they are under attack which results in more views and more notoriety.

 

Please that is not Chapelle at all who has not spoken about the controversy since the closer and has said he isn't going to make more jokes about the LGBTQ community until he feels confident they are laughing together. He's never made a reference to "being canceled" or "Netflix" either. I just find it crazy the level to which people try to ascribe his motivations without factual support.

 

This is revisionist history. Setting aside that having a trigger flag to label the Closer as "transphobic" is not something Netflix could ever do as it would be an admission that the content is hate speech, your statement is simply false. Demanding to label it transphobic is indeed trying to cancel him.

Also, the walk out demands included, "accountability when content causes harm" - what the f does that mean? You don't think that means someone should be losing their job?

And outside the employees, many others did demand Netflix remove the closer.

 

What happens is that people are taking a lot of what he says out of context - whether its a speech to high school students or the Closer. Most of the people who are offended haven't even seen it but just feel like they should be offended.

If anyone watches it they wouldn't think there is anything really bad about what he said other than stating he was team TERF. And frankly a dialogue would be far more productive than trying to paint him as the new face of transphobia which isn't going to help their cause.

 

I don’t disagree with that, it happens a lot just look at the trump persecution complex. You’re underestimating the influence this has by looking at the number of ppl (who will always be in the minority —the majority will support Chappelle). The issue is that these folks even in said numbers exercise disproportionate power —which was also his point and what he prefaced everything with

 

Let me get this straight, because I’m not part of the group I can’t weigh in on whether a “comedian” can make jokes about them. Let’s do an audit of all the comedians and groups they target, and see how many people both public and private have seen it fit to pass judgement on whether these individuals could have jokes made about them.

 

What??? Dave never mentioning being "Cancelled??"... dude... getting cancelled is like his one joke that has ran through his early days to Chapelle Show to now.

Chappelle Show right before his Clayton Bigsby bit:

The list goes on and on....Getting "Cancelled" is his signature running joke. It's just weird that you keep trying to defend the man's honor when he doesn't really need it, and weird that you are so angry at FANS OF HIS who are just being honest about this controversy/non controversy/whatever.

Just let it go dude. Dave joked about LGBTQ people and it didn't land for a variety of reasons. He obviously is having trouble letting it go, and some of his hardcore fans, and new fans on the right REALLY are having a hard time letting it go. Everyone just needs to move on. Dave Chappelle's career is far from being canceled.

 

No it isn't revisionist history. They never tried to cancel him, putting a trigger flag is the truth man. He literally said he was a TERF, proud to be a TERF, that 'Gender is fact', and made some silly point that 'We all had to pass through the legs of a woman to be here' and then he defended JK Rowling who is as transphobic as it gets. Your argument against that is "He didn't know..." well fine, but those things were still said.

And I'll point out again, their list of demands NEVER asked for the show to be removed. That is a fact. Outside of one of them, Jacyln, whose statement was basically "If Netflix is going to support stuff like this I want nothing to do with it." none of them asked for him to be taken off of Netflix.

The content IS transphobic. When he said "I'm Team TERF" it became transphobic. Whether Dave likes it or not, those people in question were the ones to get harassment from his 'fans' and actually get fired and suspended. That's a fact too.

So now we're complaining that a group of trans employees were daring to criticize him because we know for a fact they didn't try to cancel him.

Speaking of Jacyln, you tell me....is NONE of this transphobic?

 

Pretty sure I didn't say that. I said you don't get to police the reaction it gets from that group.

We've established that they weren't trying to take his show off Netflix and soo all they've done is criticize his work so where we're at now is being mad at them that anyone criticizes his work. Trans people can't and people are even defending him telling a bunch of high school kids they won't be nothing when they grow up because a few of them decide to criticize him too.

I get being a fan of the guy but...fandom becomes a bit much when we're just defending anything he does.

 

Also, Dave broke his rule already which I referred to. He DID speak about it again and he DID make more trans jokes...this was a week ago.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/dave-...nsphobic-jokes-at-madison-square-garden-event

So yeah, this was him bringing it up on his own to an audience...unprompted.

 

He hasn't said anything publicly, and yes, the Netflix community demanded "accountability for harmful content" which you glossed over and never addressed.

If you want to win an argument, it's fine. But I don't think Chappelle or his act is transphobic any more than it is racist or sexist.