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Walton Fired With 6-11 Record!!!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Imanimal, Nov 21, 2021.

  1. ApacheWarrior

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    Mark Jackson assembled that original crew.
    But may have eventually worked everything
    out as playoffs often force coaches to try
    different scenarios such as going all big or
    all small.

    So yes coaches make these changes
    not the players. But if players don't like
    their coach....you can lead a horse to
    water; but those horses may say screw
    you coach.I ain't drinking.

    Those Warriors turned on Mark Jackson
     
  2. Joe Rocket

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    I heard he was really preachy in the locker room and a lot of players didnt like that.
     
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    The core of Klay, Steph and Draymond all credit Mark Jackson with their early success and development.
     
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    however the case, theres still no reason for Silas to stay
     
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  5. Joe Rocket

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    Yeah but players always are nice to old coaches its what you do if you're not a douche.
     
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  6. Stephen_A

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    Another ill informed thread. Walton is on his third year. Besides circumstances have been different with Silas taking over a fractured and discombobulated team after the harden trade with no continuity or core group. Walton’s kings core group of bagley heild and fox already had at least one year of playing together not to mention they had good role players like sharpshooter bogdonavic. Heild and fox been playing together since 17-18. Silas took over a team that had not played together amidst upheaval with 2 stars abruptly departing to start the season and a couple of other players traded away to contenders after the mid point. He never had a core nucleus to develop and work with from the getgo so in essence this is his first year trying to build a team and develop a winning culture with this core of KPJ green wood and sengun. Be patient. Let the man coach. Let management deal with pieces that aren’t good or don’t fit (wood). Stop knee jerk emotional reactions and chill.
     
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  7. ApacheWarrior

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    Heild fox bagley has played 3 years together yielding no fruit. Our core guys are playing together in their first year. Wood missed almost half of the season last year and KPJ only played in 26 games. No continuity no rhythm. Let’s wait and chill out before judgement.
     
  9. Stephen_A

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    yes lol that’s why these posts by these fans are ill informed and unnecessarily pre mature and judgemental. Fox and heild has played together since 17-18. That’s over four years with nothing to show for. Walton has been their coach since 2019. Quite different circumstances. Lol
     
  10. ApacheWarrior

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    Yes, but Jackson often fought with media and NBA front offices

    @JayGoogle

    according to basketball-reference.com

    Draymond Green:
    Player.................................SG........SF..........PF...........C
    12/13 (rookie)...................22%......60%......19%...........
    13/14 (still w/Jackson).....7%.......62%......31%.........1%
    14/15 (w/Kerr)............................................90%.........10%

    So one can conclude that Mark Jackson tapped into the Dray at PF
    or Center prior to Kerr. Or maybe it's just player maturation as the
    player moves into multiple positions within his first 3 seasons.

    Was it Kerr that discovered PJ Tucker could play multiple positions?
    No, that's just today's NBA. Rudy T played Horry at PF. Sometimes
    it's great coaching.....sometimes it's by accident. Like when chocolate
    accidentally got in contact with peanut butter.
     
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  11. Stephen_A

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    Not to mention their core has been together for at least 3 years. Heild and fox together since 17-18. Speaking of which fox might fit nicely with green. Hmm
     
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    Conjecture or facts?
     
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    “Real shooting and basketball training” what does that even mean? Do you have any idea what you’re talking about?
     
  14. ApacheWarrior

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    But with everything, there needs to be a purpose.

    What exactly are you trying to accomplish by firing Silas?

    Kings have Alvin Gentry ready to take his place. Kings have been in tank mode
    for years....much like the 76ers "Trust the Process" tanking. Never getting better.

    Silas had Morey/D'Antoni's mess short stack team for 72 games last season.
    Now 14 games of young kids and you can judge? How about letting Silas go
    50 games this season? Do you fear he may actually be making progress and
    show it?

    Fred Hoiberg got 4 years in Chicago. 82 games, 82 games, 82 games and then 20.
    They never got better. We can't give Silas 164 games?

    Kendrick Perkins says players in the league love Silas.

    Stephen Jackson with Gilbert Arenas report players in the NBA love Silas.

    Almost everyone in NBA circles say Silas is well respected

    Scottie Brooks got many years with Thunder and then Wiz.
    Brad Stevens was brilliant....but was canned basically because he packed the
    players to take him as far as Scottie Brooks did.
     
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    If you were smart you would understand that they are a cautionary tale and thats why people are worried. I dont want to give Silas 4 years that would be stupid.
     
  16. Stephen_A

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    How do you know not every coach would know whether Green was talented or not or could play? If you dug back you’d see mark jackson started him in the last 4 games of the playoffs series against the clippers in 2014 and green was amazing throughout that whole series. It was no secret green could play and it was no secret the Warriors had a very good young core that can be a force to be reckoned with in the years to come. We don’t have that core and not even close. You’re giving kerr too much credit. He was in the right place at the right time. Sure he had a great staff and had a plan. But That team was going to be great regardless of who was coaching. And most importantly - that core group of klay, barnes curry, green had 2 years of playing together before kerr. Klay and curry had been playing together for 3 years before kerr. Continuity. Chemistry. Time. Talent. This is what builds championship teams.
     
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    Oh now you’re trying to prove a point that is just more of rehashing the op point of firing Silas and insulting my intelligence to get this supposed point across. Dumb **** dude
     
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  18. Joe Rocket

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    OOOH you mad. someone talking about firing your baby daddy lol
     
  19. Stephen_A

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    Another assumption. I just described your actions as dumb ****…Which it is. And you’re telling on yourself with more dumb ****.
     
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  20. JayGoogle

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    Well, all Dray said about Mark from what I recall is that Mark gave him great advice to never change his mentality...but this always sticks out to me...

    https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/w...s-andrew-bogut-says?cid=Yahoo&partner=ya4nbcs
    Also, the players all credit Kerr too. In fact, players always credit the coaches because coaching does matter and doesn't have a negligible impact on team performance.

    Everyone always says Jordan and Kobe would still be Jordan and Kobe without Phil...except for Jordan and Kobe. Jordan credits Phil for teaching him that he had to play team ball to win championships while Kobe said Phil opened his mind to a different aspect of basketball entirely.

    But this proves the point. Mark saw him as a wingman and played him the majority of time at wing positions, even some time at SG!

    Kerr saw him as a big and never played him at anything other than PF/C. He went from playing 70% as a wingman as you show here to 100% as a big. That's a monumental difference.

    We can't say that Mark would have also made the same assumptions...based on what?

    Mark can get credit for taking a young team and making them competitive, we can't take that away from him, but Kerr showed what that team should have been. Mark didn't have that vision because Kerr had the experience. Kerr learned coaching from some of the greatest minds and it rubbed off on him, Mark simply didn't. While Kerr worked with Phil, Pop, and MDA, it all rubbed off on him to become top tier, elite coach.

    I think this was the hope with Silas, that he's been around so many coaches and as such maybe it rubbed off on him...haven't seen that yet though.
     

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