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Discussion in 'Football: NFL, College, High School' started by Rockets1616, Aug 17, 2011.

  1. solid

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    Longhorn football has completely collapsed. I have never seen anything like this. It is going to be hard to recruit, rebuild.
     
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    Except for USC, Florida State, Miami, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Alabama, Nebraska, etc....

    Basically every bigtime program that exists has had a decade or 2 of total mediocrity in the past 40 years. Eventually you find the right coach, or you don't.
     
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    A lot of former HC go the analyst route whether taking a break from actual coaching or waiting for the right gig. Believe that is what Muschamp is doing right now at Georgia. Analysts don’t have to recruit, run practices and don’t believe they travel with the team so there is some benefit there if they want to stay in the game so to speak.

    For Patterson, he has a good relationship with CDC, wouldn’t have to move, and maybe part of him would like to stick it to TCU. But agree that it sounds unlikely. Personally I’d offer him the DC position and make him say no.
     
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    I read an article (dont remember where) a few years ago that laid out where/how he got scapegoated. The NCAA investigation didn't reveal wrong doing by Briles.
     
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    Agreed, but I'm beginning to question the Horns commitment to putting a top notch program together. Look at the Aggies as an example, they went out and got a proven HC with the jewelry to back him up to rebuild their program. They spent the money. Patterson/CDC meanwhile gives us Strong/Herman/Sark. Guys that have proven to be great assistant coaches, but haven't ever proven crap as a HC and certainly not at a school like UT. Sark not withstanding.
     
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    I would give Patterson any position he wanted to join the staff. He knows all of the HS coaches in the state and I would love to see what he could do in recruiting to build a defense at UT. With that said, it's never going to happen.
     
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    Bob Stoops, Lincoln Riley, Urban Meyer, Dabo Sweeney, Ryan Day, Jim Tressel, etc, - none of them were proven elite coaches when they had all their success at their first big programs. A&M is 9-4, 8-5, 9-1, and 8-3 under Fisher. So far, it's not much different than what they did in their 4 years under Sumlin. They both had one awesome season, both beat Alabama once, never won their conference, never made a playoff. I still would maintain the problem at Texas isn't the head coach.
     
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    Horns are huge, popular, and got money... but they're overrated.

    Head coach just duplicated notorious history that hasn't happened since 1930's

    Do better
     
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    I think Sumlin's resume pales in comparison to Jimbo's.

    Agreed about the HC not being the main problem.What do you think the main problem is. I think the players Herman recruited feel entitled and were coddled.

    Hopefully Sark can get rid of these types of guys and add players from the portal in addition to the DL signees. The DL coach has the attitude that I hope carries over to the new recruits and becomes dogs.
     
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    I think you are right. There needs to be a vision, commitment and alignment to go along with all of the resources, glitz and glamor. The competing factions and undue influence of the boosters has had a malign influence on the program. As much as people like to point to the deficiencies of the players, the sense of entitlement comes from the top. We have over a decade of evidence pointing to this more than any head coach, or disappointing recruit.
     
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    what hot takes. Thanks for your contribution and keen insight.
     
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    And every parent and student who cares about getting a real degree is trying to get into Texas

    true story , a friends kid graduated UT economics and decided to go to UH for a masters in economics, she said the textbook is the same as what she got as an undergraduate. Said it was easier than high school
     
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    Certainly - Fisher had a way better resume going into the A&M job than Sumlin did. But despite that, so far, they've had similar levels of success in their 4 years at A&M. I think resume is not the be-all/end-all key to hiring.

    I have no idea what the problem is. But one thing I think is the pressure to win on day 1 which just results in firing coaches every 3 years after they don't turn things around instantly. I think the best strategy for Texas (and Florida, USC, etc) is to find an up-and-coming brilliant coach and admit to fans and the team that this is going to a process. And then don't start judging the program and coach after year 1 or 2. When I say up-and-coming coach, I don't mean the hottest name on the market in a Tom Herman or Steve Sarkesian - that reminds me of Mack Brown's recruiting based on Rivals 5-star rankings instead of doing the research themselves. Go and scour the country for someone who's doing amazing things - it doesn't have to be a big name. Conduct actual interviews and do an in-depth hiring process. Do some research. Then hire them and give them time to really rebuild the program. It's what they did with Mack Brown - there were multiple candidates, they were doing multiple interviews, they didn't have a new coach two days after firing the previous one, etc.
     
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    So true. I freaked out when I got in to UT's master's program for accounting. It was a really great experience.

    Also, went to volleyball this past weekend and got courtside seats. 10/10, would recommend
     
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    There's no jealousy or hatred of UH, regardless if we are winning a national championship with Vince or we losing to Kansas last week.
    We're the bigger program and school. That's just it.

    Large employers have relationships with large highly reputable colleges. Is that right or wrong? who knows but it's real.

    I worked for an employer who hired mainly Michigan MBAs and then I was at employer who hired Stanford MBAs. Did my Texas degree give me an edge? yes for sure. It matters.

    Can UH beat both of those teams? Not Michigan but yeah they are better than Stanford, but which one would you send your kid to?
     
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    Looking back at the past decade or so, Florida, USC, Tennessee, Arkansas have all made 4-5 HC changes. Hell Florida State is already on the 2nd in 4 years. As @Buck Turgidson posted, the list goes on. Not sure what the exact problem is but finding a good HC has proven to be very difficult looking across all sports at any level.
     
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    I'm for getting a proven successful coach with the resume to justify his hiring. A guy like Fisher. If Rhule gets fired from the Panthers, he's a guy I would look to bring in.

    Another guy I like in the Mack Brown mold would be Hugh Freeze. Great recruiter and offensive mind/QB coach. Right now I hope fans give Sark the time to clean out all of the trash this yr and a couple of recruiting classes in place and see what he can do.
     

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