Jalen Green - what are your expectations for this year?

uhm…

European (German) here, grew up watching football (soccer) every time it’s on TV, playing myself, talking about it every day.

This statement is next level bullshit and not true in 95% of the cases. You can say that you know who’s talented and who‘s not at the age of 19 in soccer but there‘s rarely, if ever, a player at the age of 19 that is contributing to winning meaningfully and is „ a known commondity“.

 

If you do not know by 19 what kind of player they are, you are out of the loop.

Your scout has failed to recognize talent and is probably not the right guy with the eye for talent, you have to gain a competitive edge.

I do not expect from normal fans to know that but next level scouts should.

Also the knowledge should be about what kind of player they are becoming and not if they really reach that plateau.

La Masia is still looking for Messi like talents while the rest is trying to mold players into fast players that can go 1 on 1.

With due respect.

 

You know nothing about soccer tbh, this is just nonsense. I grew up in the UK, two of my brothers were signed for Manchester City in the 90's at age 11 and played for their youth sides until they were 15 and 16 respectively. All this nonsense about not signing kids because they're only 15 is just not at all the reality. Most of the top players are in youth development schemes with pro clubs before they're teenagers, get pro apprenticeships at 16 and can play professionally at that age for the club's first team if they're good enough. Most footballers aren't a "known commodity" until their 20's though, with many working their way up from non-league and lower league clubs for years. It's not remotely like US sports where there are high school and college programs, children sign with top pro clubs all the time.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_football_league_system

You have tons of leagues professional, semi-professional, laymen, to develop talent.

 

Yea I’m not sure what football you claim to be an expert in but trying to remotely assess what a player could be like in his prime is literally what those scouts are paid millions for to do.

and even then they fail a bunch of times… just as it is in basketball.

you don’t really know what you’re talking about and tbh I’m not exactly willing to debate it because you’re just wrong.

with all due respect.

 

there’s some wonderkids you know will be great when theyre 19 but no ****ing way they‘re known commodities.

Robert Lewandowski, in my opinion atleast a Top3 player, played for my fav club Dortmund when he was young.

until his early 20 this dude was labeled a bust because he could barely score with an open net. now he’s the best Striker in the world.

so yeah, absolute pure bullshit.

 

Then you have to address it to @Yung-T. He told me about scouting.

We are still talking about Neymar, Ronaldo type aren't we? (in reference to Jalen Green and Kobe)

The special types you find them even easier, they stand out even more.

Ever heard of reading between the lines, and not taking a segment and run with it?

Because I am not a full English speaker and according to my understanding an 'almost known commodity' equals you know what player type he is.

And to yours it is a finished product?

Where was I talking about 'most players', I was still talking about star players.

 

He'll be fine. Ya'll are overreacting.

 

I mean I have no problem with it all, it is just you do not have to call somebody out 'You don't know nothing' 'This is total ****' just because they disagree and think otherwise.

Even I do not want to be a Know it all in the field I studied. Lol.

What's with the attitude......and since when is knowing and scouting your player thoroughly a bad thing.

 

Lewandowski
Luis Figo
Zinedine Zidane

The list goes on and on and on and on, in football alone. Didn't care to look up more, but there's hundreds.

All of the above are SUPERSTARS.

The argument that @daywalker02 started is just pointless

 

What you said is factually wrong. This isn't about opinion.

Zinedine Zidane, who many claim one of the TOP 5 players ever, was 24 when he transferred to Juventus for 3.5 Mill. He was playing for a relatively bad club in france at the time. Only afterwards he became the SUPERSTAR that he was.

And the same thing can be said for many more superstar players. Facts are not opinions.

 

Even more recent Ngolo Kante was a sub in Ligue 2 at 21. At 24 he got transferred to Leicester. He's arguably the best midfielder in the world right now.

 

he is trying to win every game.............as for turnovers, 3 turnovers a game isn't that bad

 

Oh man, I need to break from all of this, brb.

 

All I am looking for is growth from week to week. Small, incremental growth is just fine. To me, there are plenty of guys who have come into the league with raw talent like Green's. What sets the guys who eventually become stars apart from those who don't, is the willingness to work and develop.

Some guys you can see will never find their full potential because they are too caught up in their own heads, or just don't have the desire to put in the time to develop. There are others, that if you pay attention, you can see growing almost every time they step on the court. I have seen that growth in Green over the past few games. You can see him getting more comfortable out there, and making better reads, and letting the game come to him.

That is not a coincidence, that is the product of work, and patience. As terrible as Silas has been, you can tell that there is someone in Green's ear telling him the right things, and above all, you can tell that he is listening.

That is what I am looking for. If I see Green continue to take these small steps as the year goes on, I will be thrilled. Because we all can see that the raw talent is there.

 

Go watch what Green did vs Davis in the clutch and what Cade did vs Davis in the clutch.

But yeah let's keep going to Gordon and Wood down the stretch.

 

And yet, his response was not “wow. I guess I wrong,” but rather “I need a break from all this”

this was a nice exchange to illustrate how messed up internet “dialogue” is.

Person A is factually, demonstrably wrong. Person B, with the help of many others and actual data, points that out. Person C (DaDakota in this case) comes in to “clarify” Person A because he agrees with the premise and doesn’t want it negated. Person B demonstrates again why both are factually wrong.

And rather than admit they were wrong, Person A just claims to persecuted and runs away.

Ignorance is fine - but ignorance combined with a stubborn unwillingness to learn is not.

Back to the point … Jalen is 19. None of us knows what he will look like at 25.

 

No he's absolutely right, it's impossible to tell whether a teen will become a star in soccer.

Even the likes of Christiano Ronaldo and Neymar had peers at their club that were seen as similar level (Ganso at Santos) or even better (Fabio Ferreira and Fabio Pain at Sporting) that never made it to top level football or only had mediocre careers.

There are countless players that absolutely dominated the youth classes and then crashed hard.

While you can tell whether a teen has the potential it takes to become a good player, the very essential factor is whether they can keep the right mindset and how they adapt to the switch from youth to adult football.

The same goes for late bloomers (he mentioned Zidane and Kante, also ones like Lewandowski Ribery, Klose, Drogba, Giroud come to my mind) who weren't really on anyone's radar til their early to mid 20s.

Mindset and adapting to high-level football>>>>>>>teenage talent.