[Iko] Rockets value KPJ’s development over Green’s.

or alperens

 

Anyone who thinks this is about talent over Green and Sengun is not seeing the big picture. KPj trying to learn PG and having special attention for his maturation as a man takes priority only to up his value and end up with a starter with all star potential or to maximize trade potential. You let the Tank Commander KPj show us if he has any potential as a point moving forward while helping us land Chet or Paolo. If not, you pick up his option and take the special treatment and Lucas training wheels off and allow KPj to find his fit and role with the future -Green+Sengun+Chet/Paolo who will all be here on rookie contracts and years of security for the franchise to take their time with.

And as far as NBA players speaking out for KPj. NBA players love ballers. KPj is a baller. So was Michael Beasley and Hoodie Melo and Isaiah Thomas and Brandon Jennings and OJ Mayo and Tyreke Evans and Dejaun Wagner etc etc.

 

His natural ability is very high and the NBA is all about upside...... the problem is he is running out of time.

 

Except this has actually already happened, and it was only about a year ago. The reality is that there is a really good chance that the Rockets tenure doesn't end peacefully based on recent past behavior and a pattern of behavior that ended his high school and college career. He has so far had a negative ending to every stage of his basketball career.

The Rockets are grooming him as a playmaker because he showed some aptitude to do just that. No one doubts his talent. Also I would argue that the Rockets putting additional responsibilities on his shoulders isn't fair to him and is stupid. He has struggled in his personal life and on the court and he has a great deal of pressure on him... so they add additional pressure? Doesn't seem smart of well thought out by the Rockets.

I don't have an axe to grind with Porter. I would love for him to become a star for the Rockets. Also to be clear a lot of what is being asked of Porter is NOT fair. Essentially a 21 year old young man is being asked to mature, avoid off the court issues, get his depression/mental health issues under control, be a professional and also improve as a basketball player.... and do it all in like 9 months. That isn't fair to him, and that is why I say that I don't have any confidence he will do it.

How do you know he is making incredible progress? What do you base this on? Based on the fact that he hasn't killed anyone in a car accident or hasn't been removed by security? I have heard negative things about him from people close to the Rockets for some time.... and the fluff report from Iko supports that. He isn't going to morning practice as he should and his mood changes day to day. The Rockets have to cater to his mood. Any team that counts on a player like that is asking for trouble.

The Rockets traded essentially nothing for him because everyone in the league knows the situation is bad. The Rockets are just viewing him as a lottery ticket and figure they wont win games with or without him at this point, so why not see what happens. The problem with that is that he is a negative influence on the team and other players. The organization needs a culture and Porter doesn't fit that.

If Porter becomes a long term fixture in the starting line up I will give him and the Rockets credit. Just the longer this goes on, the more obvious it becomes that this isn't going to work and is a waste of minutes and opportunities.

 

What is the highest level of basketball you've played? Any AAU? College?

 

The leagues history is littered with head cases with all star level talent. How many of those dudes corrected course and made it to being a good productive player. For every Royce white, how many Ron artest’s?

How many made it to being a franchise cornerstone?

it’s a bad bet. It’s arguable how much it is costing us, but it’s a bet that’s unlikely to pay off.

 

I’m assuming you’ve not played AAU or high level basketball before.

Chances are KPJ didn’t lose a lot of games in his youth and was usually far and away the best player on the court.

He was Mr. Basketball in Washington. You’re not pulling him out of games because he gets pissy.

This is new for him and he’s being humbled.

 

Lol.

Representative.

State (representative)

State (school) - captained

Player attitude is something I am very astute to.

Thus why i'm fairly confident KPJ won't be in the league past 26 unless he makes drastic, drastic changes.

But you make an interesting point. You don't get pulled because you're a good player in the States. In Australia you do. And I would hazard a guess in other countries you do as well, you don't see many diva Europeans. I wonder if this correlates in any way to the fact a lot of the best players in the league now or looking like being in the near future, aren't American.

 

It doesn't actually matter, but to actually backfire your comment.

Captained my State team (as a point guard, no less)

 

LMAO

It's bad enough watching how terrible they are on the court.

It's even worse when it's statistically shoved in your face just how atrocious they are.

 

This is a pretty interesting list. The top 60 PGs by PER. The Rockets don't have anyone on the list, while some teams have two or three (DAL). While I don't really care about winning this year, I do worry about the possible damage being done to the team as a unit. Wouldn't it benefit all of the players to have a decent PG running the team? Even if it's not a future star, I would gladly give up a pick that is owed to us (and a player) to get a young guy who may be blocked on his current team. I think it would help the team's growth immensely.

Not sure why KMJ and Tate are listed as rookies, but this list gives a little bit of a silver lining (Green excluded).

 

I didn’t mean it as a slight, just more so you probably wouldn’t say something like that if you had been around that environment for years.

I’m not surprised at all KPJ is in the nba. He’s very talented and has a lot of potential, but I’ll agree with you that he can’t keep up his attitude forever because as it stands his output on the floor isn’t enough

Edit: I’m taking off for a flight and half of what I wrote didn’t post lmao.

 

Kind of laughable when you see this and consider there are people laying it all on the line and vehemently arguing that one of these guys is actually playing ok and is exponentially better than the other. Both trash can players right now.

 

It does matter. Gives me insight to where you're coming from instead of just assuming. I'm not on clutchfans to start a bunch of arguments or prove a point. If you played international that matters... if you were fighting for a spot on the JV team and lost out to the more athletic guy, that matters. If you spent your life on a farm and played for a middle of nowhere basketball team, but you were the best on that team, it matters. It shapes opinions and adds information/perspective.

Simply put, if you're a super talented or super athletic guy with skills you can get away with a lot more than a bad attitude and if you're elite you can get away with some pretty messed up stuff lol. That's not to say there aren't old school coaches that don't play around... but elite prospects get different attention.

 

It doesn't matter, especially because this is Clutchfans. Are you trying to say you were some big shot basketball player? Prove it.

 

All I know is I've never seen a player pout so much on the court.

Every missed lay up he pouts, doesn't even attempt to get back, and in doing so causes a 4-5 point swing.

If the big doesn't catch his pass, he also pouts about it.

 

Ah yes, I should let you know who I am. Should I send you my full name, SS, street address as well? What a dumb response.

Again, I was asking because he said "His attitude gets him yanked from a game in literally every single level of basketball from U6's and up" and that's just not true... and you don't need to be a big shot basketball player to know it. But, he played internationally which would explain why he would say it. He answered my question and that information did a good job of explaining why he felt that way.

 

No, what is stupid is trying to flex on an internet forum about who you are. As far as I'm concerned, you are a fat virgin living in your mom's basement.