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Joe Biden's America

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by SuraGotMadHops, May 12, 2021.

  1. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    Immigration isn't getting any worse than it ever has. We actually probably do a better job of enforcing it than ever. Republicans just decided to make it an issue. The gun issue is the same for the Democrats and the media since homicide rates have gone down in most years since 1990.

    https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/murder-homicide-rate
     
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  2. Amiga

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    Right. It has gotten better. If this is the thing that keeps you up at night, wait until you see the climate migrants. The people that is extremely concern about migrants issue today aren't so concern about what's coming ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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  3. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    that's going to be a real thing. People will move from places that go under water or have bad weather to places that don't. That has been shown through history and there will be tension because of the migration.
     
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  4. Amiga

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    we have, but it's very different this time in terms of both time frame (it's going to be very compressed relative to the past) and scope (billions live on the coast and hundreds of millions more live in environment that will be impacted by drought to flooding)
     
  5. payaso

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    Everyone in the aforementioned "American middle class" has had first crack at those jobs by birth. Where are they now? Or are you not aware of the sociological pathologies impacting the relevant male cohort in this country?

    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-f...so-many-men-ages-of-25-to-54-are-not-working/

    What kind of jobs are YOU willing to do?
     
  6. rocketsjudoka

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    I would be curious where you're getting 35 million from. Most stats I've seen regarding illegal immigration is around 12 million.

    All of that said I'm making a strictly Constitutional argument and the language of the Constitution is specific that it is the Government's restrictions on infringement of rights "Congress shall make no laws. and not an argument about immigration in general. It was a point that people who feel they have been wronged by the US government can have access to US courts regardless of their immigration status. The issue of sovereign immunity is whether the US government can be sued in the first place. Not sure about that.

    To your specific question I've long said that we should be greatly increasing our uptake of immigrants. This doesn't mean an open border but immigration situation that is much more close to the supply and demand situation that we have, US employers demand to hire more immigrant labor and there is a steady supply of immigrants. Doing so would reduce the impetus for exploitation of immigrants by smugglers since they would have an easier legal avenue in. It would also allow border enforcement to focus more on truly criminal issues such as drug smuggling rather than just trying to keep people who only want to come here for the chance at a better life.

    Currently we are operating at less than 5% unemployment and there is still strong demand for labor. If US citizens truly wanted to work jobs such as framing and dishwashing they could. Employers could also pay more for labor, which is already happening, but given that we already have inflation problems that could lead to much more inflation.
     
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  7. Corrosion

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    We're from two different worlds on this subject.

    I'm not of the belief that more people is a solution to anything at all .... More people is more to feed , more to house , more to cover medically , more traffic , more pollution , more global warming more of everything and none of its good ....and in addition to that more of everything , everything costs more all the while the wealthy continue to accumulate while the rest suffer.


    We may not be at critical mass in terms of population but we're getting there , as it is we're at an uncomfortable number.

    You just think about the price of a home today .... and keep piling people in giving no thought to tomorrow.
     
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  8. dmoneybangbang

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    When have the wealthy not accumulate while the rest suffer?

    I don't hear any solutions towards how we create this deflation that you want.
     
  9. adoo

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    more brain powers mean more innovation, more efficiency.

    Intel, Yahoo, Google, Crowdstrike, Nvidia, AMD, Tesla, PayPal, OpenDoor, Zoon, etc are just a few eg of
    immigrants---contributing to grow the US economy---using their brain powers to
    add more innovation/efficiency.​
     
  10. fchowd0311

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    Ya do I'm assuming you don't understand why this country has had sustained GDP growth for more than half a century huh?

    If it wasn't profitable for more immigrants to come in, private corporations would have successfully lobbied to shut down the border decades ago.
     
  11. Os Trigonum

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    https://www.wsj.com/articles/gun-co...rearm-purchases-11637139601?mod=hp_lead_pos11

    Gun-Control Support Drops Amid Growing Crime and Firearm Purchases
    A new survey by Gallup found that 52% of U.S. adults want stricter gun laws and 19% support a ban on handguns
    By Zusha Elinson
    Nov. 17, 2021 4:00 am ET

    Americans’ support for stricter gun-control measures has fallen to its lowest level since 2014, according to a poll released Wednesday by Gallup.

    The results of the October survey come as the number of violent crimes, including murder, has risen and after Americans purchased a record number of guns in 2020.

    According to the poll, 52% of U.S. adults say they want stricter gun laws—down from 67% in 2018 after a mass shooting at a high school in Parkland, Fla., left 17 people dead. Democrats overwhelmingly support stricter measures in the recent survey, while 24% of Republicans do; 11% of U.S. adults polled say they want less-restrictive laws.

    The percentage of Americans who support a ban on the possession of handguns fell to 19%, the lowest rate ever recorded by Gallup. Support peaked at 60% when Gallup first asked the question in 1959. The highest recorded rates of support that Gallup found for stricter gun-control laws were in the 1990s.

    The number of homicides in the U.S. rose nearly 30% in 2020 from the prior year to 21,570, the largest single-year increase ever recorded by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The violent-crime rate rose 5.2% last year compared with the previous year, while the property-crime rate dipped 8.1%, according to the FBI.

    Gallup found that 88% of U.S. gun owners now say they own a gun to protect themselves against crime, up from two-thirds in 2005.

    Jeffrey M. Jones, a senior editor at Gallup, said that along with crime, the election of a president who has called for new gun laws contributed to the declining support for gun-control measures.

    Following a string of mass shootings this spring, President Biden called on Congress to pass sweeping new gun restrictions. They included an expansion of background checks for people seeking to buy guns and a ban on semiautomatic weapons with high-capacity magazines, such as AR-15-style rifles. He also ordered new rules for untraceable weapons known as ghost guns and arm braces used to steady AR-style pistols. Congress hasn’t passed any new gun laws.

    The Gallup survey found that 31% of U.S. adults say they own a gun, a number that has remained little changed for more than a decade.

    The number of federal background checks for gun purchases hit an all-time high in 2020 of 21 million, according to an analysis of federal data by the National Shooting Sports Foundation, an industry trade group.

    Write to Zusha Elinson at zusha.elinson@wsj.com

     
  12. Amiga

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    Rating agencies: no inflation with Biden's Infrastructure and BBB.

    EXCLUSIVE Rating agencies say Biden's spending plans will not add to inflationary pressure | Reuters

    Nov 16 (Reuters) - U.S. President Joe Biden's infrastructure and social spending legislation will not add to inflationary pressures in the U.S. economy, economists and analysts in leading rating agencies told Reuters on Tuesday.

    Biden has spent the past few months promoting the merits of both pieces of legislation - the $1.75 trillion "Build Back Better" plan and a separate $1 trillion infrastructure plan.

    The two pieces of legislation "should not have any real material impact on inflation", William Foster, vice president and senior credit officer (Sovereign Risk) at Moody's Investors Service, told Reuters.

    The impact of the spending packages on the fiscal deficit will be rather small because they will be spread over a relatively long time horizon, Foster added.

    "The bills do not add to inflation pressures, as the policies help to lift long-term economic growth via stronger productivity and labor force growth, and thus take the edge off of inflation," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Analytics, which operates independently from the parent company's ratings business.

    Zandi said the costs of both the infrastructure and social spending legislation were sustainable.

    "The bills are largely paid for through higher taxes on multinational corporations and well-to-do households, and more than paid for if the benefit of the added growth and the resulting impact on the government's fiscal situation are considered", he said in an interview.

    Charles Seville, senior director and Americas sovereigns co-head at Fitch Ratings, said the two pieces of legislation "will neither boost nor quell inflation much in the short-run."

    Government spending will still add less to demand in 2022 than in 2021 and over the longer-run, the social spending legislation could increase labor supply through provisions such as childcare, and productivity, Seville told Reuters.

    The Congressional Budget Office anticipates publishing a complete cost estimate for the Build Back Better plan by Friday, Nov. 19.
     
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  13. IBTL

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    Easy there with logic and facts. This is an excuse at an attempt to be racist.

    This is about the boogeyman fake fear while Biden is running trains on their gal.
     
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  14. rocketsjudoka

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    That's more of an argument for reducing human population overall than it is against immigration.

    The problem with looking at immigration as only a burden ignores that many of these same people are the one's who grow and harvest our food, build our buildings, and even work our hospitals. Labor is an input so decreasing the supply of labor leads to a rise in costs. That is one of the factors that is contributing to inflation at the moment that there is a shortage of labor in several sectors. If we are serious about reducing inflation one of the first steps should be increasing the available pool of labor and we have a ready source for that right now.
     
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  15. SuraGotMadHops

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    I miss energy independence.
     
  16. dmoneybangbang

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    I know… the Obama years seem far away. Unfortunately the Trump years saw a $300 billion loss for the O&G, a trade war the hurt margins and exports, and a supply glut that almost collapsed the industry.

    The Trump oil bust rivaled the 80s…
     
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  17. SuraGotMadHops

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    Sure it did.
     
  18. dmoneybangbang

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    Thems the facts. My relatives lost their white collar engineering jobs in 2019…. Under your boy Trump.
     
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    Get out of here with your facts and logic...
     

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