ClutchFans Game Thread: Rockets @ Grizzlies 11/15/2021

People always downplay the mental aspect and the coaching aspect.

Starting with that terrible lineup hurts the team a lot, once they go down by 15 or so you can tell they just give up. It's "Here we go again..." and they just start trying to get their stats.

Then 2nd half starts, they play better likely because they realize there is a chance...then they go back down and give right back up.

This happens every single game now too.

Also yeah, no way you can tell me Pop or Spo wouldn't have this team looking better, or again even MDA. Even Rivers. The team has 0 structure, 0 discipline. If it's not a coach's job to instill structure and discipline into his team then I don't know what they are even out there for.

 

+/- is a terrible stat for individual players.

 

Who knows? The point is, that players can be on bad teams and recover. Jalen Green will be fine. Sengum will be fine. Zach Lavine was on a team that won 16 games man lol. There careers arent over yet.

Yea and Brooklyn almost lost to NO two nights ago? What is your point? Detroit has better players.

To you? Maybe. To the Rockets, maybe they are important.

Thats not true lol.

So? Why would you care about signing or keeping Thesis? Its a poor fit so what is he here for?

Or maybe like Ive said, there are other issues involved.

Maybe, the process of tanking isnt perfect but we have bad players. We have also had some close losses as well to some good teams. So everyone i just going to ignore that too?

 

Why engage with that dude bro? You are better than that. The dude is a certified moron who just talks out of his behind. And also I can show you teams that those guys have had that have been pretty terrible, Spo included.

 

Didn't we already do "dummies pointing out raw plus minus" several pages back?

 

+/- is a bad stat. It isn't really individual as it also matters as to what your teammates do as well.

 

I'm not saying he won't be fine I'm saying it's not helpful. This isn't beneficial in any kind of way.

Also, Brooklyn losing to NOP is a fluke 'any given night' thing...Rockets losing is a pattern.

What sense does it make to sign a player to a 4 year deal (4th year TO) only to trade him months in the contract?

Yes. He's a poor fit alongside Wood. You know that. Everyone knows that. You eat your losses and play him as a back up big.

Our net rating is terrible, a lot of these close losses are fake comebacks. I can recall maybe 3 or 4 of these games we really had a chance at winning. Boston, Lakers, Nuggets...I think that's it man.

I've watched every second of every game pretty much. Most of these games are not close. Teams lead by 15+ points most of the game, Rockets make a fake comeback late 3rd or early 4th...only for the other team to get a comfy win any ways.

 

How about prepare the team better, you jackass masquerading as a Nice Guy.

Silas always puts all the blame on his players turning the ball over and not executing, yet the majority of Clutchfans can't even work out what his offensive and defensive strategy is.

A decent coach would have given this team a sense of discipline and structure. The turnovers and the tech fouls would seem to indicate that we have neither.

 

He played the most minutes and we sucked all game long. What do you expect that stat to look like?

 

Alright, which Spo team was terrible?

 

Seems pretty on point to me. Team looks even worse when he's on the floor.

 

Steph Curry still became Steph Curry, Durant was still Durant, Trae Young still Trae Young. Like...its a moot point that doesnt matter.

Cool, any team can get smacked by any team any given day of the week. Rockets are a bad team, more often that not, we are going to lose. I dont see what your point is.

We signed Melo and like two months into the season, we cut him. Who cares? Like why does it matter?

Or you use him to tank? Or you raise his trade value enough to ACTUALLY eat your losses. I have no idea why we signed him and not Olynyk LOL.

Sure. But those are all good teams that we had chance of winning. WE ARE A BAD TEAM WITH ONE OF THE WORST ROSTERS IN THE LEAGUE. I cannot make that any more basic than that. All of the other bad teams are right there with us in net rating lol. Give it some time.

Okay but thats what happens with young teams. WE ARE NOT GOING TO WIN. You are so worried about not winning like 20 games, and we arent even done with a quarter of the season yet. Relax.

 

All +/- is is basically "how many points a team scored - how many points the opponent scored while a particular player was on the court". If the other players on the team look sucky at the time, then your numbers are probably going to be bad, too. If you want to go for a +/- stat, try something like Box +/- (BPM) or adjusted +/- (APM) or regularized adjusted +/- (RAPM). They're all better indicators, but in all cases.... we suck.

 

They don’t get it, just don’t even try lol

 

Won 37 games in 2014-2015.

 

By the raw +/- metric, Daniel Theis and his 5 TOs was the best player on the floor

 

And none of those teams they were on were THIS bad.

Rockets getting smacked around by bad teams. Portland wasn't even playing well last night and still beat them easily.

We signed Melo to a no risk deal...we signed Theis to a 4 year deal, 8 per...like you do get the difference here right?

Signing him was a bad move, playing him alongside Wood when you know it makes your team bad is even worse. But this is not the first time Silas had a WTF signing because there was Oladipo too.

You're not making it basic, you're just excusing Silas completely and ignoring the role he's playing in us being bad. We're acting like a coach has 0 impact on a team winning and losing and that's just not true.

 

Actually by +/- theis and green are in the top ten worst starters in the league. Theis wood lineups are the absolute worst in the entire nba as has been mentioned multiple times. So yeah +/- corroborates exactly what everyone can see… which is that theis is horrible. Nice try though