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[Iko] Rockets value KPJ’s development over Green’s.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Mr Woods, Nov 13, 2021.

  1. Nook

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    Jalen Green isn't a headcase and he also has multiple less years of experience. I have my doubts about how good Jalen Green will be.... but I don't see things ending well with Porter. He has mediocre practice habits, he has a piss poor attitude and he isn't efficient or smart on the court after multiple years experience. Also there is the real possibility that security will have to escort Porter from the team facility at some point.
     
  2. Bobbythegreat

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    Sure, he's not a headcase, he's just not any good at basketball.

    It could be a case that neither end up being worth a damn, but given how far KPJ is ahead of Green....and they are only like 18 months apart in age, I don't think he's the one we should be giving up on. Personally I don't think you "give up" on either of them right now, but given how detrimental to the team Green has been, I think you yank him out of the starting lineup and see how much good it does.
     
  3. Newlin

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    Whatever. But, can someone please make a shot?
     
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    I've said it already, Porter is a scoring 6th man off the bench, that's his ceiling. 3rd year in the league and still shows no signs of playmaking. Makes Russell Westbrook look like Chris Paul.

    Everything I've seen from Green at least says he practices hard and improves on his game. He might put it together or He'll go down the Thon Maker route and never get better despite outworking everyone else.
     
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  5. dmoneybangbang

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    Over/under on moving Wood and KPJ this off-season?

    I see a lot of bad, selfish body language while Green just looks dejected by the end of the third quarter.
     
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  6. Tuckankhamun

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    I want Wood shipped out along with Gordon, the time to pay FAs is 2024 when we don't have our pick.

    KPJ demolished his value this season so far.
     
  7. glynch

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    Wow!! Judge much?
     
  8. D-rock

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    I hope you're wrong.

    But I worry about the kid.
     
  9. DrNuegebauer

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    Anthony Edwards at the all star break last year was shooting 37% from the field and 30% from 3 while averaging 14.9ppg.

    Finished the year 19.3ppg 41% from the field and 33% from 3.

    Young guys take some time - I won't give up on Jalen for another year or so! His shot is broke back as heck, fix the mechanics and build some muscle, could be fine
     
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  10. Nook

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    I think there is a 75% chance one of them is gone before the start of the next season and close to a 50% chance both are. It makes too much sense not to move Wood and I don't believe Wood will want to remain a Rocket. As for Porter, there is a lot for him to overcome.
     
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  11. Nook

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    There is nothing I said that isn't factually accurate. I would love nothing more than to see Porter prove the doubters wrong and improve as a person and a player, but that doesn't usually happen quickly and asking him to do so in what amounts to 9-10 months is a lot to ask a 21 year old.
     
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  12. Rileydog

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    KPJs body language is basically F- half the time… when he misses a layup, he doesn’t bother to get back and pouts. When a play doesn’t go his way, same thing. When he doesn’t get a call, same thing.

    yes it happens with many NBA players. But not every third or fourth trip down the floor. I’m barely exaggerating.
     
  13. Downtown Sniper

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    It's amazing he made it to the NBA.

    His attitude gets him yanked from a game in literally every single level of basketball from U6's and up.
     
  14. Nook

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    Yes, Jalen Green could still become an all star caliber player and possibly even a Hall of Famer. There have been some guys that start out poorly and step it up with more experience. However they are in general the exception to the rule.

    As for Anthony Edwards, he still isn't playing all that well. He is shooting 41/33 this season with a true shooting percentage of like 48%. He is scoring 23 points on 21 shots a game. He also is averaging more turnovers than assists and has a mediocre PER of 15.

    Having said that, both Green and Edwards could become all stars and perhaps elite scoring guards. Edwards has improved since the start of his rookie season but he is hardly setting the world on fire.

    I don't think anyone should give up on Green, and he would still go 4th if the draft were redone tomorrow. I do think we should be honest though, he has had a harder start to his career than was expected and it is concerning at this point.
     
  15. dmoneybangbang

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    Going to come down to Green’s work ethic which is hopefully a very real thing.

    Im still not too worried considering the overall team situation, but there’s no denying he looks lost out there.

    Ive been TBD on Silas but he needs to make some sort of change. If KPJ’s development is being prioritized then surround him with vets and let Green and Sengun anchor the bench.
     
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  16. DaDakota

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    He looks like a 21 year old who is immature.

    DD
     
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    "The real possibility that security will have to escort Porter from the team facility at some point...

    You just roll with it like an avalanche, and then off the cliff with this.

    KPjr has played 90 games in the NBA at 3 different positions, both teams in turmoil/chaos/change....Now, they're moving him to PG BECAUSE he's so talented/versatile...also because they feel there's a decent chance he can actually handle the move. The Rockets had an overall game plan before they drafted JG. And, I guarantee you that they prioritized KPjr.(albeit with an exit strategy) You don't think, if it's been determined we're putting a square peg in a round hole...that this top 5 lottery talent will flourish naturally, attacking off the wing? KPjr is THINKING a lot out there rather than balling in his flow. This "pullback" while changing everything on the court is to be expected. The hope is it will become almost innate, but that takes time. Again, it doesn't help when you have Green next to him, who can't play off the ball/needs the ball in his hands...He's also a child right now who MIGHT not even deserve to be in the rotation, much less start. I've advocated since the beginning of the season for EG to roll with him in the backcourt to provide stability/continuity...on both ends.

    Honestly though, your whole post smacks...to me, of an axe to grind, or an agenda. Damn, man. I apologize if I'm wrong, but you're coming across really strong here.

    This kid is actually dealing with all his off court issues, and making incredible progress, all things considered. (Kevin is dealing with his issues AND a time in life when a lot of maturation/change takes place normally) The court was his refuge. Now, it's chaos with a sharp learning curve.
     
  18. J Sizzle

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    They are very very dumb if they think KPJ's development is more important than Green's, so let's hope this is not the case.
     
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    We need a players' only meeting at the strip club in Charlotte..
     
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  20. dmoneybangbang

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    Why? In the context of this season where we don’t have a point guard and are developing one, seems appropriate.

    Green is going to be here for a few more season but KPJ may not be here next year.
     

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