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How many seasons of intentional losing ?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by snowconeman22, Nov 15, 2021.

  1. Tfor3

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    The only players that should feel dead inside or dejected are DJ Augustin, E Gor and maybe Theis. (possibly Wood in his own mind).
    Everyone else is young, physically and mentally fit and ‘sooo Heppy’ to be in the NBA. They are living the dream. If they can focus on getting better individually in such a way that makes the team better( and stay healthy) - they will be fine.

    Losing begets losing. Players try to do too much, try to take shortcuts or play selfishly for self promotion.

    Also, the more pathetic you become in the standings the harder it is to win bc most good teams will be greatly shamed for taking an L against the worst team in the league.

    Plus - we all know how officiating is biased based on team/player. Young players on crap teams will rarely get fair treatment from the zebras. In a close game - officiating is likely resulting in a Rockets Loss.

    I just wish we had a better coach to help develop our young players and put them in the best position to improve and succeed.

    At this point - C ya draft nite.

    I still will be watching all the games.
     
  2. dmoneybangbang

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    So then not “nothing” but “very little”….. Interesting.
     
  3. Tfor3

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    Dude, we get it. You hate Green. Broken record.
    Thankfully draft decisions are not up to you.
     
  4. dmoneybangbang

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    The Rockets are building up a sizable war chest.

    Maybe Jaylen Brown is tired of Boston/Tatum and wants his own team? Maybe the market for Ayton is favorable? Maybe Zion becomes available in the off-season? Maybe some star that wasn’t previously available.

    Or maybe it’s going to be a long slog.
     
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  5. Bobbythegreat

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    Well, every player who has struggled this season is part of it.

    I don't "hate" him, it's not his fault the Rockets wasted their pick on him, it's not his fault that he's nowhere near NBA ready yet being forced into the starting lineup. I blame the Rockets for blowing their draft pick.

    There's a chance he becomes an NBA player in a few years, and that's what I'm hoping for.
     
  6. Tfor3

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    That’s the thing. It’s your opinion they blew the pick. You speak as if it were fact. At least my Pro-Green opinion coincides with that of NBA front office professionals.

    Spare me your reply where you will build yourself up and quote all the blown drafts from xyz teams, and tear down Rockets ownership, front office and sprinkle in some nepotism for good measure.

    It is quite transparent you are the type where you passive aggressively root for a player to fail so you will be RIGHT at the expense of the team you claim to support.
     
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  7. lakersuck2

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    Nothing at all about this season is unexpected. The guys on the floor all want to win they're just not good enough. Everyone who thinks we have a good roster is probably only familiar with the Rockets roster and so does not know what a good roster is. This board gets obsessed with end of bench guys thinking they'd be real contributors because of tiny little flashes but really they're just not very good. If you compare our roster to the rest of the league we're bottom 3 easy. It's not the coaching, the roster just sucks.

    We lose till we get our superstar, it's that simple. I don't think he's here yet. I'm talking top 5 player in the league superstar. We might get him at the top of the draft next year or somewhere down the line but till that guy is on the roster, there's no point in committing resources to older mid level role players that will win a few more games but not actually take you anywhere close to a championship.
     
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  8. Bobbythegreat

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    I mean.....is it not obvious yet?

    When you pick a guy at #2 and he comes in as the worst player on a 1 win team that has lost 11 in a row....it's pretty hard to say that you didn't blow the pick when there are several others who are doing better.

    Now sure, maybe one day Jalen Green grows up and becomes a real NBA player, perhaps you can salvage a little bit, but right now it's seemingly unlikely.
     
  9. Tfor3

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    Again you speak opinion not fact.
     
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  10. dmoneybangbang

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    But it’s “not nothing” as you initially tried to pass off. KPJ consistently picking up his dribble too early is a learning curve but it does ripple across the entire offense.
     
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  11. dmoneybangbang

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    He’s also playing some of the most minutes on a team where everyone is pretty much playing awful and selfish.

    This is just so pessimistic. Maybe he can become a real NBA player some day!
     
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  12. Bobbythegreat

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    Yes, and Green is the worst of them all. He's the worst on offense, he's the worst on defense.

    He had one ridiculously hot shooting game and everything else has been G league quality at best.

    He was the 2nd rookie taken, and he's been the 2nd worst rookie in the entire class.

     
  13. dmoneybangbang

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    Yes we know how bad Green has been since playing some of the most minutes for a rookie and given a long leash….but he’s also a product of his environment like KPJ.

    KPJ just isn’t a very good guard or point guard so far much like Green. Difference is amount of training camps and games played.
     
  14. groovemachine

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    The losing is not intentional, they are not only playing with a talent deficit, they are extremely young and inexperienced.
     
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  15. Bobbythegreat

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    No, that's just making an excuse for Green by trying to blame others.

    Green sucks because he's not an NBA caliber player right now, not due to ANYONE else.

    A large part of why the Rockets are so bad is because they are starting a G league caliber player at SG and playing him heavy minutes despite how terrible he is at the game of basketball right now.

    If you look at the on-off splits, Green harms the team more than any other player on the roster when he's on the court while KPJ is a slight net positive.
     
  16. dobro1229

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    This is pretty much my read on the Tanking plan. So basically this is the last full season to tank.

    The plan (according to me from the outside-
    -Hope Green, KPJ, Sengun, etc. develop into something this season (highly suspect etc. Sengun)
    -tank this season to get best odds at top 3 pick
    -Hope 2022 lottery pick is the next Lebron
    -Positive looking competitive young group in 2022-23 season.
    -Hope that at least one of 2022 lotto pick, Green, or someone else is a big enough draw in 2023 to land multiple star players
    -2023-24 season.... clear overnight contender with two newly signed all stars plus young Rockets drafted all-star, and some decent developed role players
    -pay up the OKC/Russ pick

    Notice the word "HOPE" is mentioned 3 times here unfortunately. The worst case scenario is that the Rockets strike out on Green, and the 2022 lotto pick, have another bad season next year like this one, Stone/Tillman freak and spend superstar money on someone who is barely an all-star if even that, and we are back to the rebuild again in 2024.

    The way that Green is playing just puts so much more pressure on the 2022 lotto pick. There couldn't be more riding on whoever that poor kid is. I'll never stop paying attention to some level, but if they strike out next Summer and that draft pick looks like a dud I'll probably just have to find time for other things more often, and watching Rockets games just won't be appointment viewing which frankly it barely is now.
     
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  17. Kevooooo

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    I’ll never stop watching but if we are this bad next year I may not be able to subject myself to this misery.
     
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    Right now it's christian wood. Question is how long will he be around - smart to extend him one or two more years if you can. I think you are dismissing Green way too early.
     
  19. palmsnbananas

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    First of all this graphic is epic

    Second: why is it that when green sucks it’s all about how the system has failed him… yet look who’s in the top 3 rookies in the whole class.. Sengun… (he plays on the same team in case you guys couldn’t put that together)
     
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  20. TheRealist137

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    What's wrong with Jalen Sugg though? Thought people were saying he was most NBA ready to contribute immediately. Many people were wanting him at 2nd.
     

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