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Joe Biden's America

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  1. HTM

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    Yea, I think this is a really bad move for the Democrats. This will be extremely unpopular with most everyone besides the most hardcore leftists. It will be ammunition that will be used for years if not decades by the right. It's a powerful and easy talking point to feed to their base.
     
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    Fix the supply chain issues and you will fix most of the inflation issues honestly.
     
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    I like Kamala but she obviously wasn't ready for prime time. Ask her a tough question and she gets defensive or pulls something out of her ass sideways. Notice how they've been hiding her lately?

    Nikki is awful. How many a$$holes are trying to get on the Presidential ticket in 2024?
     
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    Yeah that's not ****ing good at all. 450 k a person is a ton.
     
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    This means more illegals are going to throw their kids over the boarder to get the payout. I’m sure it worth that much to them.

    what is extremely bad is that dumb Gringo art history dropouts are pissing off legal immigrants and people who get green cards to work and study here and do it the right way
    These people don’t give a crap about the cnn vs Fox war that the D&D losers love
    They are real people who follow the rules
     
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  6. Amiga

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    So, fight the ACLU lawsuit and let the court decide?

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    ACLU is asking for 3.4M per family. 5500 children x 3.4M = 18.7B. 450k settlement cost 2.5B.

    If I'm just being political and not caring about anything else, I would frame this as Trump policy of separating kids from family has caused undue mental harm and ACLU is suing the gov for 18.7B. We will fight this but if we end up losing, this cost to the American taxpayer is due to Trump's policy of cruelty.
     
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  7. Space Ghost

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    I believe it is the opposite. Flooding the market with cheap $$$ creates an artificial demand. Covid choked the supply chains and now we are trying to normalize it. Customers are over purchasing which only makes the problem worse. In Q1 2023, we will see a massive over stocked inventories and inventories will need to be liquidated for pennies or destroyed outright.

    If we do not push inflation then we are at risk stagflation. This is why many expect UBI. Putting the inflation directly into the hands of the consumers helps control the inflation, especially if the UBI is programmable.
     
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  8. Amiga

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    Right, but I think we are specifically talking about if HIGH inflation is "transitory" or not, not the standard expected/desired inflation.

    I don't understand your supply chain comment. The supply chain issues are due to, as I understand it, ships not moving as efficiently, factories not running at peak due to partial shutdown, and lack of employees. Demand spiking at the same time. I don't understand it - how does inflation cause the current supply chain issues?
     
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    While I don't disagree with the idea that haley is an political opportunist that appears to bend to whatever political wind will move her forward, I would feel more comfortable with her than someone like desantis or worst cruz, candidates with extremist positions. I would hope that haley would have advisers that would allow some winds of moderation to guide her. I also think from an historical view a woman of color becoming President would be important.
     
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  10. HTM

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    @Nook any thoughts on sovereign immunity here? Does the government have to allow these lawsuits to go forward? Honest question.
     
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    Hopefully the court would throw it out, I don't know the details but hope that's the case. No one will care which administration did what it's just the headlines of illegal immigrants are getting 450k while taxpaying citizens received nowhere near that during the pandemic.
     
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  12. Amiga

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    The lawsuit was filed more than 2 years ago, in Oct 2019. Before that, ACLU won cases to stop the separation and to reunite the families. I doubt it would be thrown out given that it has been going on for 2 years plus now.

    I get what you are saying about headlines because we have an overly charged political environment that doesn't value truth or accuracy and rushes to judgment.

    "illegal" is thrown out several times around here concerning this. The separation of the family is an illegal act that did harms people, especially kids. The right thing to do is to act responsibly and repair the damages done. I get it that it's the wrong political thing to do, but it's the responsible thing to do.

    This doesn't really matter but as for "illegal" immigrants - I know that's a commonly accepted perception for these folks but seeking asylum has always been legal. I don't know if these folks are even technically illegal at all.
     
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    The best way the Biden admin could have went about it is to say you will not negotiate and leave it to the courts. Don't comment on the amount and don't try to settle. Drag this thing out through appeals for as long as possible and see where it goes. In the end if it's justified then so be it but this administration can't help but put its foot in its mouth at every turn.
     
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    days after the Biden's FBI raids Project Veritas, their privileged legal communications are leaked to the New York Times.



     
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  15. Amiga

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    Politically, yes.

    I think we should separate Biden admin from the DoJ here. These kinds of deals happen all the time once the DoJ (I know it’s hard to see this anymore after the Trump admin but remember that the DOJ is supposed to run as an independent agency) realize it will lose or believe in the merit of the case. Biden shouldn't interfere. The fault I find with the Biden admin (and generally American) is even to speak up about an ongoing case in definite terms (Biden saying the 450k will not happen when asked by a Fox News reporter). He should have left it to the DOJ to run as they see fit. He can comment on it afterward.

    So, instead of a case that should just run through its normal course, we got a reporter hot on it, Biden responding to it, and the Republican lawmaker pushing for a law to outlaw payment. All politics that is pushing the nation toward being irresponsible for her actions.
     
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    That is beyond my pay grade, I could only give you a guess. I know that illegal aliens can sue and are given almost identical rights as citizens under some Supreme Court rulings. So my guess would be that it wouldn't apply. However, really it would come down to the Supreme Court if they would take the case - and they are typically cowards so my guess is that would not take the case and let a lower appellate court ruling stand.
     
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  17. Nook

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    Project Veritas has zero credibility. I would not put it past them and their founder to leak their own privileged logs to the New York Times.

    Project Veritas made a decision a long time ago to falsify "evidence" and purposely mislead. They have no credibility now crying wolf.

    At this point no one other than hard core extremists and deep state hacks are going to pay it any mind.
     
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    Rights are still granted to non-citizens regardless of the immigration status. Most of the language in the Bill of Rights is what Congress / Government can't do with no qualifier about "citizen" or " legal alien".
     
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    You get the settlement if you don't have your kids returned.

    If you think these people will abandon their kids for a payout...

    Maybe check yourself in the mirror for bigoted tendencies.
     
  20. Nook

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    Right, but the Supreme Court can do anything that they want as they have historically shown. If they want to cobble together some basis for an exception or a new interpretation, they can do so. Having said that, I don't think this court will do that, they are trying to avoid obvious controversy. A lower court would likely rule and the Supreme Court won't touch it.
     
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