I should have known this would be the one post you would reply to lmfao I just said Mobley has been really good but if you're going to act like its completely I'm a vacuum you have blinders on or are being willfully ignorant. Cleveland has the players around him and have put him in positions to maximize his skillet. The same cannot be said of Houston. Again Mobley has been great but don't pretend like that situation has nothing to do with it.
I'm not. That's why I did not mention his double digit scoring. Everything else I mentioned was 100% accurate and had nothing to do with any other Cavs player. Mobley is not just an uber athletic skilled 7 footer, he is high IQ, calm and always in control. His game is very polished for a rook big. And once he adds NBA strength and experience, he will be a true force. We just have to hope that Green can be that great scorer we all projected him to be, in 3 years. But he'll likely always be 1 dimensional.
I'm saying that people need to let the youngsters actually develop before writing them off and start crying about a completely different player. Dream is my favourite player of all time, objectively though MJ is the best player of his draft class by far. Do you regret not drafting MJ? Did you care that he wasn't a Rocket? The Mobley love-in is getting seriously old, especially so early in careers that acting like we made a terrible choice has far from been decided.
I dont know that he will be a plus defender but rookie turnovers aside. He has been better on the PnR with reads than I think many ppl thought. I dont think its fair to say he will always be one dimensional. Especially when defenses are focusing him in a way they dont with Mobley. Not to mention he has an established defensive anchor in Allen to mask alot of mistakes. Again I am not here to **** on Mobley to prop up Green. I would have been happy to have Mobley too but its absolutely not apples to apples. Edit: I also dont think as a whole Green has not been a chucker like alot of ppl thought (He has had a couple moments). He generally plays within the "offense", whatever that means on this team.
I don't know if it's because of something Green said before the season began but I've seen multiple NBA veterans after doing a move on him, stare him down or talk some trash. It definitely seems like opposing teams are trying to send him a message.
But Dream is also an all-time great and he played like it the second he stepped on the court. Which is why, right now, these situations are not remotely comparable. Jalen Green is playing like his ceiling is Corey Brewer right now while other guys we passed on are looking like they could one day be greats. Of course people are upset right now. Jalen Green may still pan out. Lots of people have shared the stats of other NBA All-Star guards in their first 10 games and Jalen clearly isn't the first too look this terrible in his first 10 games. I haven't given up on him yet. BUT HE IS ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE RIGHT NOW! Like as of today, he looks like he could be out of the league by the end of his rookie contract. That's how terrible he's been. Meanwhile, Barnes and Mobley are already looking like legitimate NBA starters and are contributing to winning. If we had drafted one of Mobley or Barnes, I doubt too many people here would be complaining that we didn't draft the other even if they believe him to be better. They'd be satisfied that we drafted an actual NBA player who is showing superstar potential nearly every game. Which is why these situations aren't comparable. In the Dream/Jordan situation we are asking if we regret not getting the greatest player of all time over a top 10 greatest player of all time. In our current situation people are literally wondering if we picked a guy who won't be in the NBA in 4 years over several future NBA All-Stars.
The point was Cleveland was not a ruin where all talents go to perish. At least most players do not view it that way. I think fans have their own opinion about other franchises. Players can play about anywhere and then go live in Miami or LA in the offseason.
When people say his ceiling right now looks like Corey Brewer, I'm genuinely curious: is this an attempt at trolling or is that your sincere opinion. Corey Brewer never in his life had the ball handling and separation ability that Green has right now at this very moment at the age of 19 with 10 games under his belt. So right now I'm assuming it's just a troll statement and giving you the benefit of the doubt that you aren't actually that stupid.
I dont think yall realize that there is almost no way that Barnes or even Mobley would look nearly as good or as productive on this team. Toronto and even Cleveland are far better situations roster and coaching wise to the Rockets. Thats not to say Green has only struggled because of the Rockerts current construction, he definitely could be playing better no doubt but ive said it in other posts that the situations they are put in affect the early returns of rookies more than most think
I said it looks that way - not that I believe that is what it is. He hasn't given us any reason to believe he's a future star. He looks BAD out there. Right now, based purely on what I have seen, if you gave me the option of betting my fortune on which is more likely, that he's a future all-star or that he's a corey brewer/gerald green level player for his career, I'd go with the ladder. Seems like a much safer bet based on what he has shown us thus far. He is really fast. He can jump really high. But he can't seem to play basketball. He can't defend. He can't dribble. His court vision sucks. His IQ sucks. His shooting is streaky at best. His work ethic better be even more legendary than Kobe's, because he has A LOT of work to do if he's going to even come close to reaching his potential.
There are plays that impress me that have nothing to do with his athleticism. And he can't dribble? No he can't dribble like a lead pg a la Chris Paul but he definitely has handles and can operate the pnr very competently especially for a 19 year old. He even changed pace and knows how to shield defenders behind him to get the right timing with the roll man. He also has really great footwork off the dribble to create separation. He also has very quick feet. I'm not speaking of speed or first step. I'm referring to his footwork off dribble moves. It's obvious you either don't actually watch him play or are trolling.
They were always going to be better defenders individually but the team defense and defensive scheme are better on both teams. Hell, Mobley has Jarrett Allen next to him anchoring the defense. Green was never expected to be a good defender right away and those dudes were. Green need to play better sure but he's asked to do 100% more than those 2 on offense in a WAY worse offensive system with worse players. They would be getting burnt more on this team too. You act like I'm making excuses for Green. I'm just saying that it's not at all in a vacuum. The Rockets are a worse team with worse coaching we need to start realizing that.
Ball handling? He might be one of the worst ball handlers I have ever seen in a Rockets uniform. He can't dribble. He does get separation. However, that step back wasn't even a thing when Brewer played. They're both unnaturally skinny, gazelle like guys who can jump through the ceiling but can't play basketball. Have I ruled out entirely that Jalen Green can become what people believe he can? No. Of course not. But if you asked me to place a bet on how he's going to pan out based purely on what I've seen, I'd be more inclined to bet he'll be out of the league in 5 years than that he's a future scoring champ.
Um, if Jalen Green was looking like Hakeem Olajuwon right now NO ONE would be mentioning other rookies names no matter how good they look.
Aight. Thanks for clearing up that you are trolling. No biggie. Just needed to know if I need to ignore you.
Lmao you really are just trolling. That was the most surface level comparison I've ever seen. Also the worst ball handler you've seen in a Rockets uniform? Cmon now.
I believe Hakeem was like in his first season in NCAA basketball with an entire 3 years left before he even was drafted at the current age Green is. That should just place some context of how stupid these assumptions are. And no that isn't me saying anything about Green being anywhere close to Hakeem.
I've watched 9 out of 10 games. I also watched all of the preseason games and all of the summer league games. He's an awful basketball player right now. Perhaps the worst I have ever seen in a starters role in a Rockets jersey. At the very least he is the worst in recent memory. I have to go all the way back to Matt Maloney after he got paid to even think of a guy who might have been worse. But not before he got paid. Before he got paid Maloney was a lot better than Jalen Green has been thus far.
