I expect a struggle at the rim do to his frame. That aspect isn't going to fixed untill he adds more mass in the next couple of seasons.
I think Green in a system like GS would not nearly get as many minutes or touches. The GS system requires the player to make a lot of good decisions on the go, and making crisp passes to the right person. Their own lotto pick Wiseman struggled quite hard last year trying to fit into the system. I feel like Green would be pretty lost there too because he lacks a good feel for the game. Some people just have a knack for knowing where they should be, when to make passes, when to drive, and predicting where their teammates and opponents are. That's one of the main reason why Mobley and Barnes are succeeding. A lot of their points and contribution on defense simply come from being at the right place at the right time. The more I watch Green the more I realize he doesn't have that. That's why players like Draymond Green always seems to affect the game positively despite not being able to score
Kobe, a godawful chucker his entire career, had a better eFG% and TS% than Green thus far when he was 18. You know who had a comparable eFG% and TS% to Green? Rookie 7th overall draft pick Corey Brewer.
I like this kind of team-oriented play, but I do wonder if Jalen Green can set that pick as GP2 does in the clip. He might get hurt.
**** did I miss a large chunk of 2021? Jalen Green has played an entire season of NBA games and not just 9?
Also I feel as it is intentionally trying to troll due to the diction and.matter of factness that his best scenario right now just from 9 games into a season is Lou Williams. Definitely trying to illicit a reaction.
Sincere question. Do you watch full Cav and Toronto gamez? Like the entire games? Because I've noticed something about how team fans react to rookies not on their teams. General NBA fans are much higher on Green than Rocket fans mainly because they see his highlights and Green highlights if you just examine the highlights are very impressive such as dancing with AD and making a ridiculous 3 in clutch time. But they don't see the parts where he struggles. I'm just wondering do you just see box scored and highlights? If someone just saw highlights of Green they would probably come out of it thinking he has a some "feel for the game".
He's played 10, but it's clear he's playing like trash because he's not NBA ready..... despite being pushed as the most NBA ready prospect by those who thought he was worthy of the #2 pick. Now, sure, those of us who knew better realized that he was nowhere near NBA ready. He's a streaky rather than good shooter, he doesn't have an NBA body, and his skillet is woefully underdeveloped due to him getting by on athleticism alone to this point. There were signs, like him not even being a net positive to his team in the G League, but so many ignored them instead pushing "the next MJ or Kobe" delusion. Now we're seeing just how delusional those people were. It doesn't mean that he can't one day become a decent player, but as of right now, he's the worst player on the team getting more than garbage time minutes.
No one is saying he won’t improve by the time he’s 21. But Mobley, Barnes, Giddey show on a nightly basis why they will be stars in the league, whether they put up good or bad numbers that night, have good or bad games that night, they show glimpses. Green has been invisible at best and a massive eye sore at worst in 80% of the games so far. It’s too early to write players off completely but it’s never too early to make evaluations, and you’d be kidding yourself if you didn’t think this was a massive disappointment so far and they’d rather have any of those three instead right now.
Green has a .0000001% chance of being the next MJ but to show how silly and bad faith it is to knock Green for that is the fact that MJ wasn't even in the league at Green's age. That's how young he is. The fact that we are comparing rookie seasons of all time greats to Green to show how he is a failure yet those greats weren't even in the NBA at that same age shows how premature and knee jerky you people are to massage your preconceived bias. Green hasn't even fully developed his god damn adult body yet.
The odds that you watch entire 48 minutes of Cavs and Toronto games is slim to none. There is a reason why non Rocket fans are higher on Green. Because they just watch his highlight package. Which I'm sure is similar to how most Rocket fans who are upset we drafted Green are viewing Barnes and Mobley, through the lens of highlights.
I watch a ton of Raptors games, maybe not as much as Rockets, but since I live in Toronto I got to go to a couple games already, and also have good access on TV. Barnes' contribution a lot of times doesn't even come from the box score. He has incredible basketball sense, especially on defense, whether it's knowing when to switch, when to help, how to position for rebounds and doubling hard etc. It's also surprising how good he has been on offense too, despite being very raw in most aspects of his game. Again it's really knowing his capabilities and knowing when to turn on the gear and attacking within the flow of the game. I will admit I don't actually watch any Cavs games except for extended highlights. I think I have seen one full game so far of the Cavs and that was against the Raptors lol
I'm not knocking Green for that, I'm knocking his really stupid, delusional fans who suggested he'd come into the league averaging 25 points a game and be the ROY. I'm glad the narrative from the defense squad has changed to "he's super young, of course he sucks, he'll turn into Kobe and MJ in a few years". At least it's heading in the right direction.
I honestly haven't hear a single prediction of him averaging 25 ppg. I've seen 20 on below average efficiency predictions as the highest. I think if Green follows the route of Ant last season who started off atrocious his first half of the season and then much better the second half, that would be a good rookie season for Jalen.
I’ve watched every Barnes and Giddey game so far. Have not watched all of Mobley’s but by the numbers he’s had the biggest positive impact. All three are far and away better than Green. Also, Green can’t hide behind his age when Giddey and Sengun are both 19 and both younger than Green and both look much better.
Funny how having an All World player makes things easier for everyone else. The fact is we don't have anyone on this roster - even in street clothes who strikes anywhere near as much fear into the hearts of defenders as Steph Curry. That easy bucket is not rocket science coaching - those are table stakes when you have both a guy that has to be guarded 30'+ from the hoop AND a good passing/screen threat to facilitate. We don't have enough developed talent on this team that opposing teams feel like they have to prioritize between different players on any given play. As long as a Rocket player isn't wide open inside of 25' of the basket -that's how you defend the Rockets. It makes it easier for teams to guard us. If Steve Kerr decided to come coach the Rockets, he couldn't change that overnight either. We have to work on fundamentals with all our young guys - setting good screens, using screens effectively, reading defenses appropriately, moving around the court with purpose on offense, trusting in teammates, probing for cracks in the defense and quickly moving the ball when they aren't available, forcing help defense to free up teammates(playmaking). No offensive set is going to work until you get those fundamentals down and we often have 2-3 guys on the court at a minimum who are still learning those details that vets already do consistently without thinking. That's how we are going to generate looks for our guys at this stage in their career until we start to develop someone that defenses have to scheme for like Curry.....either that or bring in more vets to give more discipline and structure to Silas' system but that comes at the expense of developing young talent so choose the players you are doing this for wisely.
