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The Jalen Green Experiment is Over

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by atam, Oct 20, 2021.

  1. apollo33

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    lol wtf, I think Mobley might take it, might not be a bad bet.

    Scottie has a lot of hype around him though with him being on the Raptors for some reason
     
  2. tycoonchip

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    Barnes is playing impeccable right now on the Raptors. Barnes or Mobley have earned ROY as of now!
     
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  3. JayGoogle

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    I get the argument that the Rockets are not the most cohesive team right now, that the Raptors and Cavs...well Raptors especially, were more built to slot in a rookie and make him look good.

    But Green was supposed to be NBA ready and he looks far from it. His handling is a concern, it's so loose and the moment there is any traffic you can expect him to dribble it off his foot. The defense...it's bad. Really bad.

    All this said, this is only me commenting on Green right now. All I can do. If he's the hard worker he was touted to be and he's mentally strong then he'll be alright. He definitely has the potential to be an all-star caliber player, whether that's a perennial all-star type or a fringe type, we'll see. I don't doubt the potential...but Green's biggest issue, at least around here, is that Mobley looks fantastic.

    Cade, Green, Mobley...they will always be compared for the rest of their careers. Fair or unfairly. right now, Mobley's winning that race. Maybe by the end of the year that won't be so.

    I don't know, there are multiple career paths. Some guys peak early MCW, some guys peak late Billups, some guys peak and get better like Harden and some guys never peak at all like Anthony Bennet. Who knows what Green will be as he hasn't played a season yet. Could be he's just having a rough start to the season and late dec he starts to get going...but yeah, it's fair that people react to how they see him now.

    The people calling him a bust and whatnot, that's definitely premature. Right now though he's been pretty bad outside of 2-3 games where his shot fell. If he's not hitting his shot he's a huge negative on the floor. Has to get better handling the ball and has to at least not constantly get lost on defense. It's rare to see a pro ball watch as much as he does, it's the kind of thing you see 12 year olds do. Stay on your assignment whose now wide open for 3.
     
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  4. larsv8

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    I am not even seeing flashes of elite basketball.

    Not a very promising start.
     
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    Elite?? I’ll settle for flashes of mediocre, non sucky basketball if that’s not too much to ask.
     
  6. dobro1229

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    I mean I think your crazy if you haven’t seen moments of potential…. But it’s not Kobe Bryant level potential for sure.

    Once he fills out he could be a nice starting SG as a second or third option on a playoff team. His issue with being the 1A is that I don’t see him being able to truly create for himself. He COULD create for himself in a Westbrick type of way but that wouldn’t be good for helping his team win. I think he’s going to have a better career being a guy who can make shots, and use his athleticism to get in the lane when they are overloading on the teams playmaker.

    I think the Rockets have a solid player but I don’t see him as a superstar. If he fills out he could be somewhere between Michael Finley or Kerry Kittles. Because he’s so thin you don’t think about it but I do see similarities in Finley’s game and how he contributed.

    But the issue is the stakes to land the next superstar in the 2022 draft couldn’t be greater.
     
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  7. CXbby

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    Jesus that is a depressing description for a #2 pick. Michael Finley or Kerry Kittles.
     
  8. daywalker02

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    We can deduce now that the NBA Draft is mostly about hype and the chance of landing a star is, well, not that great.

    He can still turn it around, but it takes a lot of more work.

    This "I am from the G League, I am ready" is Bullshet at best.

    Some teams get luckier than others. That is also real life.

    I am good with Sengün.
     
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    I’ve seen enough too to think it’s time to let John Wall know he’s gonna play this and next year. He’s under contract and they can’t just pay 40 mil to be an assistant coach. Get on the court and help create some open shots for guys. KPJ just isn’t making guys better by any means.
     
  10. dobro1229

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    Not really if you think about the curse of the #2 pick. Evan Turner. Darko. Derrick Williams. Thabeet…. There has been some truly awful players at 2.

    Think of how much fun that Nets team was with Kittles, Kenyon sr. Etc. That could be the Rockets in a couple years but again… that team had prime Jason Kidd as their 1A. The stakes couldn’t be higher for this Summers draft and why I think Wall should play even if he’s not prime Jason Kidd he could still help make players better.
     
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    Scottie Barnes deserves No 1, No 2 considerations.

    I have to question scouts now.

    IQ, fundamentals, skills, good capable hands and body over athleticism, highlight dunks.
     
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    IMO I dont think we’re using green right. We should have him come off of screens like a Reggie Miller maybe in time he will become a Kobe but his body type is Miller he’s too light in the ass to take it to the hole.
     
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    Yeah I’m not one of the last two “John Wall is awesome” guys left, but he is as close to a real PG as we have. We need to see Green playing off someone to see what his game could be. I fear some bad habits forming if a guy who is more Reggie Miller starts to think he needs to be Russell Westbrook. Could you imagine anything more detrimental to his career if he starts playing like that because of our lack of ability to put anyone on the court with him who can run an offense??
     
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    It is a bummer that this version of Wall is only a 45 percent of what Wall once was.

    Would not even gotten him otherwise.
     
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    Green can’t shoot and has average point guard skills.so you can’t play him at the 2 or play him at the point. Good thing is wining and this team are as far apart from Galveston and Paris so just let him develop
     
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    The pre-draft Jalen Green support was so strong by so many posters here, one must stop and question whether Rafael Stone and/or Rockets decision makers were influenced by the voice of popular opinion(?). At the time when we won 2nd place in the lottery, Mobley was the consensus #2 pick... did Stone sacrifice his convictions and basketball knowledge to bend to the whim of public opinion? A public opinion largely informed by highlight videos and dunk techniques?
     
  17. Outlier

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    the decision was fueled by money. What’s more exciting? A Jalen Green who reaches his peak or a Mobley who reaches his peak? Guards and wings run the league these days and fans buy their sneakers more than they buy sneakers from bigs.
     
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  18. jimmyv281

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    Mobley is playing great for the Cavs.
     
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    the narrative was that the work ethics was extreme, and that is indeed extremely important.

    However, I never quite learned what is driving this work ethics, what is the motivation:
    • love for hoops (Harden)
    • competitiveness, desire to humiliate opponents (MJ/Kobe)
    • ambition, upbringing, self-discipline (Yao)
    Also what remains to be seen is if that work ethics will sustain the nightly beatings and humiliations, given he’s already sеt with a salary above MLE. Positive reinforcement is fuel for hard work…
     
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  20. J.R.

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    It’s just Summer League
    It’s just the Preseason
    It’s just one game
    It’s just five games
    It’s just ten games
    It’s just thirty games
    Season doesn’t really start until Christmas anyways
    Wait until after the all-star break
    It’s just one year, his rookie year
    It’s just his second year
    It’s just his third year


    It’s just the refs fault
    It’s just Christian Wood’s fault
    It’s just Stephen Silas’ fault
    It’s just Kevin Porter Jr.’s fault
    It’s just the Rockets organization
    No other rookie/guy could succeed here…

    :D:rolleyes:

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