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(Controversial) Silas chooses KPJ over Green to end game

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ThatBoyNick, Nov 6, 2021.

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What would YOU, yes YOU have done?

  1. PLAYED BOTH

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  2. BENCHED GREEN

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  3. BENCHED KPJ

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  4. BENCHED BOTH

    25 vote(s)
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  1. Downtown Sniper

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    Yeah but would you give Green 40 shots a game? If not, you're a terrible coach too.

    - Jalen Only Fans
     
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  2. JayZ750

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    KPJ is not a PG. we can give him all year or all decade. He can run point but shouldn’t. It’s subtle but there’s certainly a difference between a PG and a higher usage off guard, where KPJ fits better imo.

    I don’t think Wood has necessarily regressed… but he hasn’t necessarily improved either. Anecdotal evidence (against a solid post defender to boot) doesn’t mean he’s regressed. That said he’s not the best back to the basket, he’s more of a face up post threat… and there’s just not a lot of space in this offense and that hampers that a bit.

    all of the offensive woes spiral in each other imo. KPJ isn’t a point. JG is a SG that can’t shoot currently. Tate is a great cleanup type scorer and defender but also can’t shoot. Theis isn’t an offensive juggernaut (one game aside). So when you’re one “legit” solid offensive player that’s left is a rangy PF/C that is solid at cleanup, can do a bit of everything but in half court requires some spacing and setups, it’s a struggle…
     
  3. Stephen_A

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    You’re giving Wood too much credit. By regression I mean that to me he looks a bit slower than last year when he blew by some players and ran full court on the break etc. he is not blowing by anyone this year granted I’ve only seen a few games this year. And the post example is to say that Wood isn’t an elite scorer. Too weak to have that deep of a post position and not score. Jeff green isn’t an elite defender and never has been. Elite big men in the league would score at a high percentage that deep in the paint. Wood couldn’t move a shorter defender that deep in the paint illustrates a lot and speaks volumes to his ability. KPJ may be combo guard perhaps I would agree with this. To me it seems JG has more potential as point. Still a work in progress no doubt.
     
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    Well….

    Ok. Lol. One definitely can’t say he’s better.

    I just think it’s a bit harder to judge. One a better/good team he’d probably look amazing right now.

    that said the regression by a ton of players all is part of the coaching problem.
     
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    When your #2 overall pick is supposed to be known for his elite scoring abilities is only putting up 10 points or less a game. I’d say it’s behind schedule. I think we expected him to at least average 18-20 points a game his rookie year, since he is the main focal point.
     
  6. Joe Rocket

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    1 good game out of 9 aint bad wait... yes it is lol
     
  7. anamah

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    The man is no coach
    The GM NO INTELLECT
     
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  8. Joe Rocket

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    Yep thats it right there. I would give this post 10 likes if I could. I dont mind bad shooting or a turnover for the sake of learning but some of these guys are flat out selfish.
     
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  9. Stephen_A

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    What Ton of players are you speaking of? And I don’t think you can blame the coaching staff for player regression. At some point the coaching staff will have to re evaluate KPJ at the point if he continues at this rate. It’s about fit a lot of times just like how teams work in the corporate sector. Perhaps KPJ is not the right fit at the 1 or maybe not at all on this team. Not sure what Wood’s issue is but he hasn’t increased his mass at all and if he did do strength and conditioning it hasn’t shown in this limited number of games. That’s not coaching that personal choice and desire. Or maybe there’s a physical ceiling to him. Dunno. What we do know is their performance has regressed.
     
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    he’s averaging 14 actually
     
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    Yup, 14 points on 13 shots, shooting 35% from the field and 29% from 3.

    His eFG% is a team worst (among players with at least 30 minutes played on the season) .434 with a .473 TS.

    The only reason it's not worse is because he got super hot in one game from 3.

    I think it's fair to say he's been absolute trash offensively......and he's even worse defensively.

    Now let's not give up on him, but he's been REALLY hard to watch thus far.
     
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  12. Stephen_A

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    not sure why theis and Tate are in that selfish group when they’re not even primary scorers facilitators or playmakers. Tate scores when he has the lane or position in the paint. He tries to make things happen and I don’t see any selfishness. If you’re talking about not good passing or vision that’s a different thing and I’d agree he has poor court vision and passing ability. Same with theis. Wood and KPJ I agree are main playmakers and offensive players that need to get others involved and better. Lebron, luka, CP3 are so great because they do this for their team. How many times have you seen a corner 3 wide open and wood just tries to bully himself in the paint. One can argue that he has limited court vision or blinders on when he makes his decision to drive or shoot. Not sure what selfish basketball even means. These guys are pros and does what it takes to win and I question how many players in a professional league are “selfish” as you put it. Selfish guys don’t usually play or last in the League. If guys think they have the ability to score (kobe) they will without deferring. Some players defer to others some players take it on their own hands. It’s a matter of skill and talent as well to see the court and execute passes. To me it’s just a greater responsibility for the big playmakers and offensive guys to lead and facilitate the offense especially KPJ. Those two shots at the end were stupid. Just stupid basketball.
     
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    That’s very harsh criticism my friend. Scoring isn’t easy in this league. Anytime you can average more than 10 pts a game you’re doing something right. How many guys can put up 30? He’s been uneven and inconsistent but he has made a lot of things happen on the dribble drive either dishing it to interiors guys or getting fouls or a layup. He’s got poise he’s got confidence he’s not backing down. Have patience and faith in this young man. We don’t need all these harsh pejoratives or negative talk. To me the criticism should be on KPJ a 3rd year player who has regressed and I refrain from calling him trash either.
     
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    yeah, I was hoping to see the best out of him. I mean it’s just the beginning of the season and he might just be in a slump. He may be upset tho when sengun wins rookie of the year lol
     
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    I'm just laughing at armchair coaching brain geniuses who "don't understand" why he's in the game at that point in time. Maybe with the game on the line you go with your best players is an excusable coaching decision.

    It's like the people who didn't understand why Nwaba was playing instead of Garuba vs PHX.... because he was playing great?

    I understand the Rockets are big picture tanking but - i can empathize with the coaching staff for trying to win games.

    Of course, the clown car drivers here like yourself think that if we had a" real coach " we'd start 4 19 year olds and also have a 50 win season.
     
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    Can't wait for you to hold that same standard to Green.

    DD
     
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    Scoring efficiently isn't easy, chucking is fairly easy for NBA caliber players.

    Let just about anyone on the team take 13 shots a game and they'll average at least 10.

    The thing about Green is that he's more streaky than good at this point in his career. He'll be on fire from 3 one game and score 30, then the next few games he won't be able to hit anything and he'll be the worst player on the court.

    Overall this season, It's arcuate to say he's been trash. Both of our starting guards have been.

    Now you can say it's to be expected given their age and relative inexperience, but it has to be acknowledged that they have in fact been terrible.

    It's not the end of the world.
     
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    That would be awesome, but I don't think Sengun will get the playing time for that, and he's got his own things to work on.

    Also, even if he did get the minutes, I'm not sure he'd get the national recognition to actually win.

    Deserving or not, I think one of the top 5 picks will win it no matter what.
     
  19. Stephen_A

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    that’s your judgment and choice to use that term. a player is open he will shoot plain and simple and most coaches have no issues with players shooting or “chucking” as you put it. You discounted the good he’s done as I mentioned in my previous post as shooting isn’t the only thing a player does. Now if all he does is shoots like Armani brooks and he can’t contribute to the team in any other way then he is useless to the team and people like you might be upset and call that “trash” a term I will never use because anyone at the NBA level deserves respect and admiration because you can never get there yourself. Also Is he deliberately hurting the team? Does he have poor character? Is he a polarizing figure who has bad intentions? Is he a bad team mate? It’s a problematic term you are using and very judgemental. But hey you do you. Your choice your words.
     
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    It's an accurate description. "Chucking" is when you keep throwing up bricks at a very low percentage.

    Green contributes in almost no other way besides scoring, and thus far he's been terrible at it.

    Also, I wonder if you'd be as upset when I describe KPJ's performance thus far as "terrible" despite him doing more good for the team than Green thus far......
     

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