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Critical Race Theory.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by jiggyfly, May 17, 2021.

  1. Astrodome

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    From what I understand it was domestic terrorists. Not sure of the group name.
     
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    Wow, how unself-aware can a person be?

    You are the one poster nobody responds to.

    All you do is talk to yourself.
     
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    so he is just like 45 a big liar.
     
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    White people ashamed of their history, try to "white-wash" it from History. Shocking! Not.
     
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    CRT is not history.

    I am black and do not believe CRT should be taught at anything other than a college level.
     
  6. Invisible Fan

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    I'm still genuinely confused what CRT would be if it were taught in schools. Would it be like law class mixed with history? A few inception levels deeper into Redlining?

    One thing I remembered in college was how the Mexicans living in the territories annexed by the US were supposed to be full citizens under the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, but that ended up being shredded when their land was taken away and they were afforded zero rights under courts. Honoring treaties is usually a big deal unless the weaker country can't enforce it I guess.

    I'm fine with that being taught in HS...

    Maybe a Venn Diagram of issues covering CRT vs "diversity and inclusion of marginalized perspectives" would be helpful for my mushy brain.
     
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  7. Mr.Scarface

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    The thing is...NO ONE IS TEACHING IT.....LOL. It is a GOP/Conservative tactic to spark backlash after the George Floyd killing. It is a way for them to change the narrative after people were searching for ways to improve how racism/history was addressed in school's curriculum. CRT has been around since the 70s and now all of sudden it comes up? School Boards were looking for to address racism and Conservatives used the tired "Colleges indoctrination of students" and applied it to grade schools. The whole situation is Bullshit. Just because someone is address current events, thru the lens of history, doesn't mean it is CRT. LOL. GOP gaslighting at its best.
     
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    Virginia moms disagreed with you and they won last night......I know, Trump lost.
     
  9. FranchiseBlade

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    Very true. It is not being taught to elementary students. The problem is that people who don't have even the slightest understanding of CRT are labeling any discussion of racism as CRT.

    Racism and racial justice absolutely should be taught in an appropriate way to elementary school and CRT is fine to be taught to higher levels of education.

    Snowflakes want to cry and they will. Education shouldn't be dictated by the least educated in our society.

    It's fine to not understand what CRT is. It's not really common. I had no clue when I first started hearing about it.
     
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    This doesn't answer your question at all, because you're correct in that no school district in America is "teaching CRT." However, I can give you some actual examples of things a school board was implementing that I'm pretty sure started this whole thing.

    Basically, the new Fairfax County school board was elected riding the wave of anti-Trump sentiment, and was probably more liberal than any school board ever elected in the county. One of the first things the new School Board did was "revise the existing Controversial Issues Policy and develop a new Anti-Racism, Anti-Bias Education Curriculum Policy." This pretty much said we will now allow controversial topics to be discussed in public schools, and this is the controversial issue we want talk about. Among other things, this was followed by multiple school renaming efforts, a controversial survey sent out to parents, and a controversial change to the admittance procedure for the nation's highest rated public high school. Due to the quantify of these types of policy changes plus the amount of controversy and coverage that went along with them, it at least gave the outward appearance that the school board was hyper-focused on issues relating to race. Mind you, this was all happening during the pandemic when parents are already not exactly thrilled their kids hadn't even been in-person for almost a year.

    Anyway, as far as I know, the Fairfax and Loudon counties were pretty much ground zero for the whole "CRT" debate in public schools (you can search Google for goings-on in the Loudon county school board, which was more of a powder keg, because that county is much less liberal than Fairfax to begin with...some of what happened there makes Fairfax look tame). Whether accurate or not, someone in the news media must have made the observation that this sounds inspired by Critical Race Theory, and the rest is history. Once it made national news, the whole thing got out of control and expanded to places where nothing like this was even going on. And then it even morphed into non-sequiturs like banning books.

    So, while the above was definitely not "teaching CRT" I think it maybe gives a real life example of steps a school district was taking that instigated the controversy. While I'm sure most of places the CRT issue is being debated really is a "boogeyman," it really wasn't a completely fake controversy in those two counties in Virginia, and directly affected yesterday's election.
     
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    I think I've seen some of that on here before. Your example plus ones like a board suggesting teaching music theory is supporting colonialism makes me wonder if there's a source for all of this.

    Maybe CRT for cons is like Koch being the root cause for all lib annoyances
     
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    Mostly during WWI because they had a habit of sabotage and blowing up munitions depots and ships.

    During WWII the actual Nazi Party in America (they tried the same, btw) did, believe it or not, come under some scrutiny by the government. Crazy, I know.

    Lots of German-Americans hated the Kaiser and the Nazis and just wanted to be left alone. Until their Country called.
     
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    This is my experience with the vast majority of conservative friends in this subject matter:

     
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    CRT like "Defund the Police" is one of those issues that have been hijacked by the Right and used to club Democrats with. Yes CRT isn't taught in schools and even isn't clearly defined but the problem with things like that is that those who make the most noise and fury can step in and define the issue for others.
     
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    There was a lot of sympathy towards Nazi Germany in the US in the leadup to WWII. Many Americans wanted the US to stay out of the war while there was open sympathy towards Germany.

    Yes there were German nationals and ethnic Germans that were interned by the US during WWII that number is miniscule compared to the number of Japanese Americans interned. About 11,500 Germans to about 120,000 Japanese even though there were far more ethnic Germans and people of German descent in the US.
     
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    Is “Critical Race Theory” just an umbrella term for studying the social dynamics of race and disparate social outcomes that correlate with race, and how this intersects with other things like gender, class, etc.?

    Why shouldn’t this be included in a social studies curriculum? For elements that are actually controversial — talk about the controversy and let students come to their own conclusions. If school should be about teaching kids how the world works, leaving this subject out seems like a big hole to me.
     
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    Maybe this is helpful, but a survey was sent out to all parents in K-12 in my school district. I reworded the questions to give an idea of what actions would be taken if all questions were answered in the affirmative. I included all questions, even the innocuous ones. This was not labeled CRT, but rather "anti-racism, anti-bias curriculum." In any case, maybe gives a real-life vision of how race/racism/bias/identify would be touched on in schools. In short, I would say it's more than just covering race-based statistics in social studies classes.

    1.) Create a welcoming environment for all students
    2.) Care for students
    3.) Value and affirm student's multiple identities
    4.) Teach about race
    5.) Teach about racism
    6.) Teach about multiple identities
    7.) Teach about identify-based bias
    8.) Help students develop positive self-identities based on their membership in multiple groups in society
    9.) Teach students to value other people's multiple identities
    10.) Welcome parents to help shape the school curriculum if they want to
    11.) The curriculum and teaching methods provided in schools are culturally responsive and free of bias
    12.) Provide students with access to high quality teaching and learning opportunities in schools
    13.) Prevent students from experiencing barriers to learning because of how the schools and school system are designed
    14.) Teaching methods should address race
    15.) Teaching methods should address racism
    16.) Teaching methods should address multiple identities
    17.) Teaching methods should address identify-based bias
    18.) When staff discusses topics or race, racism, identify, bias with students, then staff members should have clear guidance from the district about how to teach those topics
    19.) In discussions with students, staff should cover topics that relate to race, racism, identity, and bias in a similar manner as how they cover human rights issues
    20.) It is important for curriculum materials (e.g., textbooks) to represent different races and identities with respect and without stereotypes.
    21.) The curriculum used should teach students how to challenge power and privilege in society.
    22.) Using a curriculum and teaching methods focused on being anti-racist and anti-biased would support students’ academic excellence and accelerate learning.
    23.) Using a curriculum and teaching methods that were more inclusive of students’ identities will empower students
    24.) Using a curriculum and teaching methods that were more inclusive of students’ identities will better prepare them for college and/or careers.
    25.) Teachers should have materials to guide them in creating anti-racist and anti-biased classroom environments.
    26.) The teaching methods (or teaching practices) used in school should offer students ways to take action against racial and social injustice.
    27.) The curriculum should give students opportunities to recognize injustices that individuals create (e.g.,. biased-based beliefs and language).
    28.) The curriculum should give students opportunities to recognize injustices that systems create (e.g., discrimination and oppression).
     
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    I think only a handful of those could be controversial, depending on how it’s communicated to the kids, but again I don’t see why it should be inappropriate to broach these subjects. My main concern is schools should provide a safe environment where kids are permitted to express different opinions on touchy subjects. These are complicated, not so straightforward subjects, and kids should have the freedom to think critically about and challenge certain perspectives that might be covered.
     
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    If they ever send out the results, would you please share them with us?
     
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