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Is this the last we will see of Carlos Correa?

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by what, Oct 16, 2020.

  1. Scarface281

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    He literally said Houston is his home. Idk sounds like he is leaning on staying if the offer is at least competitive
     
  2. CinematicFusion

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    We will not under any circumstance offer him a 10 year deal.
    Astros will offer a 6 year 210 million contract. 210 million dollar contract.
    Will that keep him here?
     
  3. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    The Astros will probably suck when Correa is 34-37, so I don't see how it effects us. We literally hit grand slams with our number 1 picks between Correa and Tucker. We won't be able to get that high of picks for a while.
     
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    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    I think if we are even close to the 300 million dollar number, he will stay. He's not going to another town like NY or Detroit if the difference is only 5-10 percent net.
     
  5. CinematicFusion

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    I'm not buying into that concept. We can manage this team and be like the St. Louis Cardinals. Our payroll this year was 194 million.
    Astros still have a young base with Tucker, Alverez, Bregman with prospects like Myers, Lee, Pena, Leon up and coming. We mix that with veterans like Altuve, Yuli, Brantley.

    Correa is awesome but I'm not going with a 10 year contract for anyone unless they are 22-24 years old.
    Offer Correa a 6 year contract for 210 million. Tip your cap if he goes.
     
  6. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    We are not paying Tucker, Alvarez and Bregman all 20+ million a year and I would pick Correa over all of them since he is the best defender at the most important position.
     
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  7. CinematicFusion

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    I with you… but we won’t sign him for 8-10 year contract. It will not happen.
    Convince Correa to take a 6-7 year deal.
     
  8. Elienator

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    If another team is offering Correa 8+ years at 270+ Million, I think he's unfortunately gone.

    If the offers are in the 6-7 years, the Astros have a chance. They've done 5 year deals and offered a 6 year deal (at lower value), so it's at least conceivable they would do 7. It will be hard to predict prior to a new CBA.

    I do think Carlos would like to stay in Houston all things being equal, but not enough that he's going to take less than what he thinks he is worth or work out some sort of creative short term deal if there is a 8-10 year deal out there.
     
  9. The Beard

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    The "no state income tax" thing is very very overrated in these negotiations

    Correa, like many others, will make way more money than he will ever need. It's not about the "net income" like it is for normal people, it's about the status of getting that contract. He will want to make a statement with his contract

    It's so hard because of the CBA, but if that wasn't such a huge issue, i'd offer him 10 years 250 million now and see if he takes it (I doubt he would, but that's honestly as far as I would go)

    If he took it then we know we are set there and would also know what our budget looks like

    If he turns it down, we would know how much we can spend on SS/C/Pitching
     
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  10. DVauthrin

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    Offer Correa 8 years, somewhere between $280-$300 million, at a minimum, and make him turn that down. Again, for the third time, what is so scary about years 7-10 of this contract? By 2028-2031, the Astros’ roster will look markedly different. That’s three-to-six years after Alvarez and Tucker hit free agency and four-to-seven years after Altuve and Bregman’s current contracts expire. And, again, he is the best position player the team has when you consider his defense. I’d rather have one Correa than one Tucker or Alvarez, unless either one learn how to become elite defensive players. Also, what do you think Tucker or Alvarez are going to command as free agents after the 2025 season if they keep playing at their current level or improve? Both will get an annual AAV comparable to what Correa will get or what Altuve makes now. Furthermore, Correa is a team leader on and off the field, and they aren’t.

    Jim Crane can easily afford to pay Correa and have a competitive team. The Astros now have $57 million off the books in Verlander and Greinke, and another $45-50M coming off the books after next season, though some of those players like Yuli, Pressly, Brantley and Castro might be retained. However, Yuli turns 38 next June; Brantley 35 next May; Pressly turns 34 in December 2022; Castro 35 next June. None of them at their respective ages should significantly affect what you offer a 27-year-old elite shortstop.

    Bregman’s contract goes up by $18M next year, and Alvarez and Tucker enter their first year of arbitration in 2023, unless the new CBA drastically changes things.

    Finally, the Astros have Kyle Tucker and Yordan Alvarez under club control for the next four seasons. Guess whose contracts expire after 2024? Altuve and Bregman. More than likely, Altuve takes a significantly smaller AAV to stay as long as he’s productive at age 34/35, but if Bregman doesn’t find his 2019 form in the next few seasons, his money can go to Alvarez or Tucker.

    Finally, the Astros are not going into next season starting Jeremy Pena or Pedro Leon at shortstop. They probably sign someone like Trevor Story or Chris Taylor to serve in tandem with Aledmys Diaz if Correa doesn’t stay, with Pena or Leon as possible midseason call ups.

    As for Leon, he was originally signed as an outfielder as the future George Springer replacement. They started teaching him shortstop in case they lose Correa.
     
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    Carlos Correa will be 33 years old for 99% of the 2028 season (year 7 of such a contract). He turns 34 on September 22, 2028.

    Also, he could suck, but the entire Astros’ team will be different by that time. Plus, older players are staying more productive than ever before. Gurriel just won a batting title at age 37. Michael Brantley is still a rock-solid hitter at age 34. The Astros are also more than capable of fielding one of the top 10 payrolls in the sport, so they can handle one undesirable contract if that’s the case.

    Not to mention, they can structure it where years 9 and/or 10 are team options, if need be.
     
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    He recently explicitly said that he very much will take state income tax into account.
     
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    Carlos Correa SS 27.1 R R HOU TBD Market Value: $26,623,480 maybe they pay him 266 over 10yrs.
     
  14. Air Langhi

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    How many of the 10 year deals have worked out?
     
  15. Squirtle

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    Not a ton in recent memory.
     
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    10 year deals are a fairly new thing. How many 10 year deals are out there that we have seen the last few years of those contracts? Of course the Pujols contract but we know that's dumb to give a 10 year contract to someone already in their 30s. A-Rod's first 10 year contract was good throughout. The other 10+ year contracts recently were signed by players around Correa's age or younger.
     
  18. Hank McDowell

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    Great player, hate to lose him, but the writing has been on the wall for years. He’s going to the highest bidder, and we all know the handful of teams that usually comes down to. I’d be shocked if it goes any other way.
     
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  19. Redfish81

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    I will give you the answer and you aren't going to like it. The Astros TV deal ends in 2032. They NEED to be good the couple years before the expiration so they can negotiate the new deal with strong ratings. Having a 37 year old shortstop that moved to another position making 30 plus million might make it difficult to compete. Two teams in our division have bigger TV deals. The Mariners and the Angels. The Angels deal is the same length for nearly double the amount plus the Angels have 25% ownership.....

    The Astros are in the 4th largest city and outside the top ten in tv deals. The comcast network disaster was really bad for the Astros. They have to get it right next time.
     
  20. Nick

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    If the worst case scenario is that in 2031 Correa is about where Miggy Cabrera is now for Detroit… who are possibly the biggest competitor to signing Correa now… so be it.

    The Astros are around the 10th biggest media market. The only issue with their current deal is that they don’t have an ownership stake. If you’re making decisions in 2021 thinking about 2031, you’re not really optimizing the current window that is virtually guaranteed to likely be more closed then than it is now.

    I also guarantee that in 10 years time all sports will be fully streamable with standalone options. Media “deals” as they are now will also be vastly diffferent
     
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