Breaking 1-06-21: MAGA terrorist attack on Capitol

Because that is what she is being told... on Fox, on talk radio, Facebook, and other social media. And being told in such a way to spark anger. Even violence.

 

oh, i know!

most of the stuff she is angry about is factually incorrect, but she wont hear it. ill ask for evidence or an article to back up what she says and im told that they are taken down as soon as theyre put up. she says that the internet companies are liberals who take down stories about this stuff.

she wasnt like this before trumpism and at this point i diont think she iscoming back...shes lost it.

my grandma too - i dont even like talking to her anymore because every time i do she says a bunch of racist and anti-immigrant stuff - whats crazy is that she is an immigrant who married my grandpa who was the son of immigrants from mexico.

fox news and tucker carlson are the main things they watch.

to tie this back to the thread - i have zero doubt that we will see trumpers try another january 6th style insurrection. they are full-blown domestic terrorists at this point and even the ones who wont participate (like my mom and grandma) will cheer them on and think its justified.

i truly believe this country is done and its solely b/c of trumpism. its going to get really ugly.

most successful coups started out as failed coup attempts.

 

Jan 6 was a practice run, and there's going to be more practice runs that will be dismissed by moderates and so-called independents as "no big deal" until all of a sudden they'll find themselves living in a fully authoritarian state.

Maybe some of them should start actually doing something other than complaining about paying for social welfare, AOC being mean and the Democrats' poor messaging skills (even if that last one is all too true).

 

So here's the question for you though. You do realize that Antifa or BLM have the same protections that MAGA terrorists do right? If Antifa organizes an act that can essentially take over a function of government, do you believe the FBI should have counter domestic terrorism laws in place to allow the FBI to thwart that attack?

Freedoms are great. I love them. Freedom to say what I want. Freedom to practice whatever religion or non-religion i want. Freedom to vote (I know that's not something we share in common though), etc. etc.

Those are basic freedoms that are great. However.. I am SPECIFICALLY talking about the freedoms or more appropriately the protections in the constitution to take up arms against the country. Because of the assumed threat of Britain taking back control of the US, the framers built in safeguards for foreign threats, and.... as you noted... the Patriot Act just put those safeguards on steroids... again... for foreign threats.

However we've already had one Civil War. Since we have protections to basically plan, and sometimes attack our own government as long as you are an American Citizen, wouldn't this be a problem for you if it was Antifa planning that attack and not your MAGA brethren???

I'm not advocating for losing freedoms. I'm just asking the question, and allowing you for one second to think about things that could affect you in the future. I'm pretty sure the folks on the right only take the positions they take because they just assume they'll be holding enough power to hold double standards where Right Wing MAGA people can be treated with one set of rules under Constitutional protection as "Militia" covered under the second amendment, while Left Wing Americans can be treated like an ISIS cell over in Afghanistan if they dare step out of bounds. I just don't think you guys realize what you have setup, and what is coming from the left one day if your party continues to push for more anarchy under the guise of "Patriotism."

 

What is it they that they should be doing?

 

The FBI (and NSA, and probably other agencies) already has too much power in place to thwart a domestic attack. We should have less infringement on our freedoms, not more.

 

Boomers shouldn't be allowed on the interwebs. They can't handle it. Look at Tinman.

 

So if BLM or Antifa is organizing online after Biden loses in Nov 2024 that on January 6, Antifa is going to attack the capital with the help of BLM, and take Kamala Harris hostage. And you have Antifa members openly saying "we might have to put one down" in reference to cops at the capital....

.... you are saying now that you believe the attacks should not be thwarted by the FBI or other officials because of 1st and 2nd amendment rights??

Again... I'm not saying it should, but I just want people like you and Commodore, etc. to understand that your freedoms under the 1st and 2nd amendment also apply to Antifa, and BLM. I want you to fully understand the protections that were given to us by the framers to protect against a hostile foreign power that also is a double edged sword for Civil War or domestic coupe attempts as long as it is an American citizen with rights.

 

i have no doubt that there were FBI informants with those traitorous insurrectionists on january 6th. the FBI has a history of entrapment...infiltrating groups and often inciting and funding them...see the miami seven.

1) this type of stuff has been going on for a long time and is well documented. and conservatives have traditionally supported, defended and argued for these type of tactics. its yet another example of trumpers totally flipping on previously held beliefs and positions.

2) the FBI were not the ones that organized the stop the steal rally, encouraged the trumpers to "fight like hell" and "take names and kick some ass". the FBI were not the ones that were spreading lies about the election being fraudulent and telling people to come to a rally in DC and that it would be "wild". the FBI didnt tell all those trump insurrectionists to march down pennsylvannia avenue and that they would be right there with them. the FBI didnt tweet that mike pence betrayed him while their supporters threatened to kill him.

 

The key word is "Claims". What evidence has he provided, and is he making this claim under oath as well as the media??

The two primary conspiracy theories have been-

-It actually was Antifa
-The FBI and crisis actors were there egging on good hearted Patriots who were just giving daisies to the capital police officers

So it's shocking to no-one that finally someone who was arrested (regardless of who egged him on... HE DID IT... hello party of personal accountability), says to the media that the FBI made me do it. I'm surprised every single person held up in jail in DC hasn't gone to the media that "the FBI made me do it".

The reason why nobody is doing that in court though to try and lessen their sentence is because it's absolute Bull Sh$t, and they know that without evidence a judge will see them as showing no remorse... FOR THEIR OWN ACTIONS... and they are likely to get a heavier sentence.

Again... party of personal responsibility. An informant can come to my house tomorrow and tell me to rob a bank. That doesn't mean that if I go do it then it's poor little me. Don't hold my "Patriot" ass accountable for anything in life.

 

If FBI assets encouraged trespassing into the Capital, what would be the reason for doing that?

 

the same reason they drove wanna-be terrorists in miami around to photograph buildings to bomb. entrapment. like i said above, they have been doing this for decades and conservatives/republicans have always supported it. what changed?

 

No, I am saying that they have too much power and resources and not enough respect for the rights of citizens. If people are openly plotting, arrest them for conspiracy. If people are trespassing, arrest them for that. If they attack cops, arrest them for that. Just don't read people's private emails and messages without a warrant. Don't disarm people who have never been arrested, let alone convicted. Don't censor people for saying things you don't agree with, even if they are inflammatory.

I don't agree with you that the bill of rights was about resisting a hostile foreign power. In fact, the founders were very concerned about the United States becoming too powerful and infringing on the rights of the people. This is reflected in the contemporary writings as well as the structure of the constitution itself and the inclusion of many protections in the bill of rights.

BLM and Antifa should absolutely have all the same freedoms as any other US citizen. They should be allowed to be armed (absent some other disqualifying factor like a felony conviction), to assemble, to speak, to be free from unreasonable warrantless search and seizure, etc.

 

Coincidentally started by the big government conservatives that still occupy power.

 

And that ignores it was (1) reported by a right wing UK tabloid and (2) tweeted by right wing nutter jack prosobiek to be (3) posted here by right wing nutter commodore.

 

nm

 

But but but... she has blonde hair and white skin. And a great job... well, maybe not a great future (unless fox news is hiring)...

 

That the modern "conservative" movement and social media have brought us to a point where a woman brags about her aryan features as a strategy to avoid the law... just wow.