Yeah, all this Mobley praise is just as pre-mature as the Green hate fest after so few games. Mobley’s last line 20min, 2pts on 1-7 shooting, 4 reb, 4 assts. Rookies take time to develop. I think Mobley will be a good player. If his frame will allow another 30/40 lbs and still have his athleticism he can be elite. Pretty much the same way I think about Green.
That's because you focus on the counting stats and don't look at the actual plays themselves. Barnes is just a normally rookie SF playing exceptionally well. Mobley's play has been transcendental.
Real steal for me is still Al-P. Most mocks had Barnes going at 5 or 6 with some as high as 2. I think Hollinger was the only one to have Sengun ranked very high (4) and we got him at 16.
Also untrue. I've watched nearly all of their games thus far. Banres' early play has been just as good if not better.
Sengun was best value for sure. But Barnes is doing things only handful of NBA greats have done. And while a pundit or 2 had Barnes as 2nd best player, the majority had him ranked in top 7.
If Barnes can get 3ball to 35% then he could be transcendent. Same for Mobley. Mobley's defense has actually been more effective AND more consistent than Barnes. Barnes scoring and rebounding WITH efficiency have been the biggest surprises thus far.
So why gaslight yourself? Cavs are not losing Mobley without a fight. They consider him future MVP caliber player.
Mobleys play hasn’t been transcendental lol. 42% of his makes are dunks. 67% of his makes are right at the rim. which is absolutely to his credit - one he’s making them. Two while most are assisted - 78% of his makes are assisted, he does get the occasional offensive board outback type stuff (though Alpi out offensive rebounds him per 100). He’s been solid passing (though again Alpi out does him here per 100). He’s been VERY good defensively…. Though Alpi has 6 steals per 100 to Mobleys 1.7 and isn’t this far behind on blocks (1.5 vs 2.2 per 100). And Alpi isn’t as good as Mobley as being an all around defender (though I think he’s fairly close here) or overall rim protector (this is where Alpi falls behind imo .. even though he gets blocks it’s not in the rim protector variety that gets blocks and just defers shots but rather as a chase down guy) Alpi is the more relevant positional comp of course… but it’s noteworthy Mobley is starting and theoretically then playing against better competition… might have been smarter to use Barnes as a comp but everyone on this board wants to compare him to a rocket so Alpi makes sense there. Of course you noted you don’t like stats and I just provided more of them … but the stats I provided also support the eye test. I’ve watched most Cavs games this year. What makes Mobley so amazing so far - cause yes he’s been inarguably great! - is that he’s just kind of there. He’s been the opposite of transcendental… he’s just been there not trying to do to much being in the right spot at the right time and not pressing in any way. THe upside is he can do this… while also eventually becoming the guy you go to … to create. But Barnes has now pulled ahead in the ROY race after last night no doubt.
You don't think super stars have had the freedom to come and go as they please these last few years? The only loyal super star I can think of right now is Giannis and Curry.... Cleveland may want to put up a fight but if he wants out he is out.... Cleveland will be back drafting 1-3...
Players like Beal and LaVine are consistently underrated. I get it… they don’t make the playoffs a lot. That’s organizational and overall talent for the most part. Do you think the Bulls wound have made the playoffs two years ago with KD, Harden, Steph types in place of Beal? I don’t. Giannis and Lebron… I can see it - well linger Lebron at least. But even then it’s be hard. Their second best player was Betrans lol. Both guys are very solid playmakers and decent rebounders as well, positionally. The bulk of the difference between players like them and Kobe for example is defense… and that’s a BIG BIG noteworthy difference for sure… and overall success (which is as much team as anything). Regarding Jalen … as others have noted were 5 games in. Steph didn’t have his first 20 point game until a month plus into his career and his first 30 point game wasn’t until January. Steph was 2 years older than Green as a rookie. Mobley, btw, is 8 months older than Green and 13 months older than Alpi. remember rookie Giannis? He was 190 pounds lol. the bulk of Jalens issues so far have been bulk and usage/role/system. Will he ultimately add 25-50 pounds of muscle to his frame? 50 seems a lot. 25 seems doable. Giannis put on 50+ so that is basically impossible for a smaller Jalen but I see no reason why he cant bulk up to 210-220 … which was Kobe’s ultimate playing weight and Kobe was an all world defender. I do t anticipate Green being an all world defender but I also like most of what I’ve seen from here there. He gets lost occasionally but most of his defensive issues have been bull related to date. if I’m redoing my pick right now I’m taking Barnes lol. but I think Green still has potential to be Kobe at his peak. After all even year 2 Kobe - who had a year in the league already but was still younger than Jalen is now - shot 8-32 his first three games, had a breakout 11-18 game, then went back to being horribly inefficient. only time will tell. If I’m concerned about something on the Rockets it’s clearly (1) coaching, and (2) KPJ before anything else.
I seem to remember many who liked him pushing that angle. The thread is there as proof to witness....my comments are there about 5 times, of me saying I would play him at SF. Start him over Tate/Kenyon
Barnes has Nick Nurse and a Raptors roster and system that isn’t complete trash. Why do people just completely discount the situation these rookies are in? What about the Rockets makes them a good development situation? Please, tell me KPJr already regressing…the same KPJr many on here said would have been a top 3 pick in this draft class easy…
Mobley has his first bad game out of seven and now people want to talk about individual bad games? I know someone who has had four bad games and one good one.
