This. Silas has literally been a head coach for like 1.1 NBA seasons. We are at developmental bedrock and currently looking to trade a few vets. That's tough to build a culture or system around in such short order.
I certainly have issues with the rosters, but I don't feel nearly as strongly as the OP does. Again, just a few months we had a veteran point guard starter and instead we had a training camp for KPJ to get brushed up on the role full time. We also have a small group of vets that we are actively looking to move. I doubt the roster gets settled until after the mid season deadline.
Initially i just missed the fact that your analysis is based on what things "look like" when viewing bench camera angles from your Tee-Vee screen. I was kind of assuming/implying you were but you just . ... admitted it?
..... lol All teams run a lot of PnR... how, where, when they get into them, with who, with what spacing, and what plays and style they run in between varies immensely. That said, the Rockets don't run it a ton ton, its a big part, but not like all their doing, apparently ... KPJ runs it the most on their team so far at 7.6 possession per game, which puts him 24th most in the league. Jalen is next at 38th in the league. Both are statistically horrible at it so far. No one in the top 23 gets fewer PPP out of their PnRs than KPJ (0.63 PPP), and Jalen (0.45 PPP) is like 30% worse than KPJ , with no one in the top 50 players running PnR with less PPP output. KPJs PnR result in higher frequency of turnovers than Jalens (which actually isn't horrid in this department). Eric Gordon (1.45 PPP) is like the best in the league at running PnR on a PPP basis at the moment... but doesn't do it that much. Jalen leads the team in transition possessions and isn't "that bad" at it (0.95 PPP). Alpi leads the teams in posts up possession and is pretty decent at it (1.00 PPP). CWood leads the team in isolation possessions... and is REALLY good at it - 1.5 PPP - but while leading the team in them, its only 2 possessions per game (31st in the league). Which is baffling. He's our best player, our best potential trade bait, and should be getting the ball a lot more in face up type situations. CWood also leads them in spot up possessions, but at 3 possessions per game this puts him at like 77th in the league... which isn't surprising, there's not very much motion, or passing to an open guy that ran off a downscreen type stuff in our offense and despite your protestations that most teams just go out there and PnR and ISO by feel most of the time, teams do actually run plays. Again, CWood is good at spot ups. 1.5 PPP. But... Eric Gordon and Jalen aren't far behind CWood in spot up possessions per game both also basically at 3 per game, and Jalen at 1.21 PPP and EG at 1.13 PPP. CWood leads the team in cut possessions per game... but at 2 per game, but again is very good at it (1.6 PPP). They run zero off screen stuff. They run zero hand off stuff. (other teams run some of this). So there's some of your empirical data to back up what is plainly obvious. KPJ and Jalen aren't great yet at running PnR just willy nilly like, regardless of how frequent a playtype this is in the NBA. KPJ gets nearly as many PnR possessions a game at horrible efficiency as CWood gets total possessions at great frequency. Alpi is their best post up player and passer and should be getting more of these touches with folks running off him. In general they should be running more "actual plays" - despite your disdain for actual plays - which don't by the way have to be "actual plays" anymore than the PnR is an actual play, but rather need to be concepts on offensive type. Another poster for example already mentioned getting Jalen involved in more offball movement. I watched his g league games, he was moving off ball a lot more. And statistically he's relatively good at it. And it should get him easy buckets. So in short, YES, what I'm saying is Silas is "effectively playing minecraft" by which I mean saying "hey, let's just put our 21 year old never played PG before PG and 19.5 year old rookie SG in a lot PnR type situations, even though they don't seem to be that good at it and we have other options that are better!". But how would they know they weren't that good at it till they tried it?? That's called training camp, pre-season games, and practice. This is not something that is just popping up. This has been pretty obvious since basically preseason. But hey, don't we want them to get good at PnR for the future? Yes, absolutely, but that doesn't mean set them up to fail at it. It means mix up plays. It DEFINITELY means for a streaky rookie SG and struggling first year at point PG, get them easier open shots at first. Etc. But again, all of this isn't rocket science. Its CLEARLY and PLAINLY obvious if you're watching.
Yes my analysis is based on watching things with my eyes. SHOCKING!!! Guilty as charged!! I use my vision to make conclusions about things that are best analyzed with ones vision!!
Probably the 2nd one? Idk. I don't for one second believe they don't watch tape together. Or that if a bunch of yokels on CF can see such obvious problems professional coaches and players can't see it. That's the worrisome part about it though. A fair few of us could make these adjustments...who isn't doing it coach or player? "BOX OUT" doesn't take Greg Popovich to say. Nor does it take Michael Jordan to perform. What gives? Like I said, I don't expect wins but I do expect good effort. What they've been up to is flat out bullshit. They should be embarrassed. Getting beat by a better team isn't a shame. Being in your own way and getting absolutely shitcanned regularly is a problem.
None of this stuff is completely obvious though. These are good stats you provided. But none of these take into account what the defense is doing though. These are just stats without the film to back it up. I also wouldnt take those isolation stats for CW seriously because the dude(IIRC) is not a good isolation player. All of the stuff you provided is great stats, dont get me wrong. But this isnt plainly obvious at all. Nor is the data anything worth being concrete at a 4 game sample.
They need Josh Christopher as backup PG and sit Augustine. Also, Sengun needs to play at least 25 minutes and when we trade our veterans this year we do not need draft picks but young talent,,,,,Mo Bamba
Its completely obvious to me. And has been since basically preseason game 2. I kept waiting for something to change. But they keep trying to fit the same square peg in a round hole. Which is why it’s in no way shocking it completely supports what I’ve already said in this thread many times before providing the stats. That they have no organizational structure. Eg no offensive system… beyond “give them the ball and hope they run PnR effectively”. That they don’t play to their players strengths. Etc. I think CWood is a very solid face up iso type player. His jumper is so smooth so must be respected and he has a handle then capable of getting by other bigs. He’s not a great post up back to the basket big. The stats support that too. Defenses play defense. Lol. A bigger issue wound be small sample size where they’ve played mostly solid teams. I expect numbers to go up across the board as they get better and play worse defenses. But I don’t expect the relative strength to change much. the only somewhat logical argument for the lack of organizational structure and playing to strengths would be a throw them to the fire approach that you hope gets them up to speed fast. I don’t like this approach entirely. I do t want them to abandon PnRs. It will still in all scenarios be the predominant play as this is 2021 nba. But I absolutely think they need to mix a lot more in and most specifically have a better set of plays, concepts, schemes and ways at beginning of games, quarters and halves to get their guards specifically easy baskets but also sets of plays that are specific to each player that are in their sweet spot. Eg… CWood is our best player by far far far… what is his play? What is his go to play?? I have no clue.
I don't think he will start this season an I'm Ok with that , but I do want to see his minutes increase to around 25.
I beg you to watch the Pacers game now. Go on NBA replay or NBA League Pass and watch the Pacers vs. Nets game. This will show you why Duarte is so successful early. Rick Carlisle is doing exactly what we are begging Silas to do. Literally every play Sabonis has the ball at the top of the key and duarte runs a cut around him and gets a handoff from Sabonis. THAT IS WHERE COACHING MAKES A DIFFERENCE. They arent winning anymore games than we are at the moment but they are setting Duarte up for success and thats how.
The Jazz is one of the best teams in the NBA so what do you expect? Do you really expect us to beat them?
Excellent points. In plain speak. We have no offensive and defensive identity. Instead we have coach who will just smile through it and hope for the best. We had a full training camp, and what we have is a non pg KPJ running do-what-u want offense. This is fact, because a Tate can jack 3s and a Nwaba have blinders on. This simply will not work with the personnel that we have. Too inexperienced and looking for their own shot. Not necessarily selfish basketball, but lacks the maturity to make the correct plays and trust options b and c. All defenses have to take away is the first point of attack, then we end up with brainfart plays.
i dunt believe both ferntits n stone could bear with an 'everything in a mess' situation for too long (say, 30 games? 42 games? A WHOLE SEASON!???), tho their expectations not high for this season, i mean they much have been pretty ready for a shameless tanking, but they definitely are not ready to allow system-less, clueless, stinky games destroy the self-esteem of young prospects, keeping them in a endless bewilderment, n most horrible of all - scare fans away from TC further deteriorating the already flat market. have to say, till now it's quite recognizable timberwolves n j*zz games are typical SILAS games, messy, disgusting, drowning..it's so F awkward to stay cheerful for this kinda stupid games led by a low iq rookie head coach.
It takes longer than that, I have no idea why you dont get that young teams are bad. Bro, show the film explaining this to me. Its hard for me to take your eye test as serious evidence and Im not trying to be a dick. He's not. He really is not. He is a bad iso player and a bad face up player. The stats support that for a very small sample size this year. ???? All this stuff you are talking about comes with time. Again we are 4 games in dude, you guys are expecting way too much right now.
