You seems to think I pick sides. I don't. It was said by most scouting reports that Mobley's offense was a work in progress in almost all aspects. He had the potential to be a great shoot, the potential to have a low post game if he gained strength, and predicted most of his points would come from put backs, and rolls to the rim which he was great at. That turned out to be very true in the games he has played in. Also most scouting reports said Green and Suggs would be more NBA ready than Mobley and Barnes, especially on offense. When I mean no offensive tools, I should say he does not yet to have the ability to create his own shot, or have a consistent jumper.
Ok, so that's Beal, Lillard, and Lavine how has that equated to wins or championships? Besides Cury who has led their team to a championship at that size? This is not ******** on Green just saying 30ppg means nothing in the overall scheme of building championship teams.
Agree to disagree I suppose. I watched every almost Raptors game during Bosh's career, because I lived in Canada it was the only basketball I could consistently watch. Bosh was not that raw coming into the league, even in his rookie season, his footwork in the post was solid, so were his jump shots. He did get a lot of his points through flashes to the basket, but a lot of times he was asked to create from the high and low post, and he did fine for his size and age. I don't think Mobley has any real moves offensively that he can create on his own. When he does do them the footworks are really messy, and he's been missing them badly. that's why a majority of his points come from put backs, and rolls to the rim.
Lillard is consistently in the playoffs and made a WCF. Basically "almost" as far as the Rockets did with Harden. Beal and LaVine have played with absolute dogshit. When they get good players and coaching around them, their teams perform better. Shocking!! 30 ppg isn't the be all end all. Neither is amazing size and skill - see AD in New Orleans, or KAT. Jalen can be MJ and Mobley can be AD and neither will do all that much, playoff push wise, without more around them. Effectively, my point is apples, oranges, whatever, they're both delicious, but if I had to choose, I'm choosing apples first... its just a more versatile fruit!! Juice, sauce, pie, jam.... lol.
This is simply not true the only work in progress was his 3 point shooting. Nobody has a low post game in today's NBA so that is a non factor. Nobody said most of his points would be on putbacks anybody could see he had far more skills, He had as has shown the ability to create his own shot any big with that kind of handle can do it. Thanks for making my point that people were wrong about Mobley being "raw".
LOL. Mobley is the 3rd or 4th option on that team and has shown that he has moves and the ability to create his own shot but he is not asked to. He does enough other valuable things so it does not matter if he is not a go-to scorer right off the bat. I can't believe you are still pushing this narrative.
LOL. How the hell has Lillard been almost as far as the Rockets he made "1" WCF and has gotten bounced out in the 1st time several times. And even if I agreed with you you make my point for me nobody has won a championship building around an undersized 2 guard except for GS and they had multiple all-stars.
Are you Mobley, or Green fans all out of your mind? Why are you so damn defensive about rookies having flaws in their game, they are 19 year olds. What narrative what the hell are you even talking about. I have watched both play, I don't really care about being right or wrong on forums. Mobley is the 3rd or 4th option, I don't see why that has anything to do with him having a rough time hitting his shots when he tries to create from the high or low post. That's normal because 1 he is not strong, and 2 his footwork is also a bit messy. I don't deny he has other valuable things going on, I think he has looked 10 times better than Green in most aspects, especially on defense and knowing where to pick his spots on offense. His Jumper, and high post, low post footwork is a work in progress, I don't know why you are so defensive about it.
Did the Rockets make it farther than the WCF or am I missing something? Who has won a championship built around a dominant, inside presence big? The closest is Giannis (who, i am not a proponent of ** in any way, I LOVE Giannis and they won that chip... but that's a second round exit if one of Harden or Kyrie are healthy) and even that required 2 all star guards around him. I went through the championship list in previous post. We have more examples/#s of all star guards or outside-in guards/wings than bigs... But as noted, all winning teams are stacked.
I don't think Green is more athletic than Edwards, I don't see him as a freak athletically. Above-average athleticism but not in that freak mode. I put Lavine, Morrant, Edwards, Fox, Mitchell above him athletically off the top of my head and maybe still Westbrook.
Who is defensive? I am not any players "fan" Just pointing out how wrong you are when talking about Mobley's offensive game. I can say the same thing about Green concerning his strength and footwork they are rookies. Yes, his offensive game is a work in progress but he is not raw or a zero offensively like some would have you believe. Seems you are now backtracking with your initial assessment of Mobley.
Yes, you are missing something, they made it multiple times and never got swept. The fact that you are actually trying to say that Lillard's and Harden's playoff success are in any way similar shows you not discussing this rationally.
Maybe you and I have different definition of raw is. But I think his footwork both in the low and high post, especially when he has to shoot a hook shot or jump shot in the paint is very raw, as in it is average or below average for a NBA starter. I also think his jump shot mechanics off the dribble or from the 3 point line is also raw. I don't know why you keep bringing Green up. I would say Green is very raw in his ability to finish at the rim, I also think his footwork going up for up for jump shots off the dribble or curls is also inconsistent/raw.
Is high center of gravity code for a high butt. *proceeds to urban dictionary* We have Daniel Thighs, we will be OK.
Mobley has quickly risen to the point that he is the more interesting player, all he got to do is up his game on O. This could change within 2 years. Fundamentals are key for a big.
Skinny legs and high center gravity matter less when you are playing next to Markkannan and Allen. Mobley is being put in a great position to succeed by playing weak side defense where Allen can box out and play rim protector. Mobley is using his BBIQ, length and quickness to excel at defense.
Urghh, why is this so hard to understand? Bosh/Gasol were great 2nd bananas, Kobe/MJ were top dogs. That was the case for JG over Mobley, that he could be that "golden boy", your #1 guy. Zach LaVine is just a late bloomer at this point, not sure if he’s even any banana yet, but he’s still pretty young and he balls now, so we’ll see. As of now even with his late bloom he is at best 4th best player in his draft (Jokic, Embiid, Randle), and that draft sucked a$$. I take this Zach LaVine thing more seriously now; till now I was thinking it was just a goalpost shift from Team Green to lower expectations and protect the kid. National experts were saying JG could be truly special, generational guy. If consensus shifts, then we start thinking differently about our sitch, thinking where we get our #1, etc…
Do you guys ever wonder if the Rockets would have taken him if the whole "don't want to play in Houston" nugget didn't come out? In the meantime, please give Green some time to get everything together.
