People were gloating because Mobley scored 30... 13 and 17... in his first 2 losses in this thread and Shot Dr. @DaDakota, pronounced Jalen Green's jumpshot in a Persistent Vegetative State with no hope of recovery ... a few hours before he hits 8 out of 10 in a historicish display of shooting virtuosity last night. Not only is this something to gloat about, its THE THING to gloat about and frankly about the most fun we're gonna have here this year and part of the reason why the internet was invented.
LOL - I do what I can - but even Corey Brewer scored 50 once...... I am happy for Green and hope he has found his jumper though. DD
I say keep it up You have to keep trashing Green the same way you reverse mojoed Kyle Lowry to a borderline HOF career!
Woah, I have NEVER trashed him, I just think he is really raw. Let's not create a narrative I am against Green, I am NOT, I am FIRMLY in his corner now that he is a Rocket. I may disagree about how we develop him but I want him to be the next Michael Jordan - and lead our team for a decade. GO JALEN GREEN! DD
Do you recall your metaphor, years ago, where you compared arguing w DD to trying to get a TV off an impossibly high shelf at Best Buy? LOL EDIT: I think you included a Sisyphus-like element, where the TV repeatedly crashed down into one's cranium.
Mobley is a valuable player and gonna be very good… but he just will never be the explosive threat that green is. greens gonna be a scoring champion, perennial all star typa dude
Mobley is a high floor guy. His size and ability to catch lobs means he's a least a Capela-level player which is good. However I'm not sure that he will be a superstar or a guy who can lead a team as the best player. Jalen Green is a guy you are banking on because he has a higher chance of becoming a superstar. Neither guy look like busts to me
I think his ceiling is pretty high as well, but Jalen Green fits the mold of a top player in the NBA more than Mobley does my top 20 guys in the NBA in no particular order: KD, Bron, Giannis, Steph, Luka, Jokic, Harden, Embiid, AD, Kawhi, Dame, PG, Tatum, Butler, Kyrie, CP3, Zion, Trae Young, Mitchell, Beal then I’ve got guys on the cusp like Booker, Lavine, Ja, and Jaylen Brown all these guys are high level scorers and/or high level playmakers I have no doubt that Jalen Green will be 1 of the top scorers in this league which already fills up 1 of the criteria…we’ll see how much his playmaking improves, but if he becomes just a 4-5 apg guy, that should have him somewhere in the top 20 at the very least
my prediction for prime Mobley was 18, 10, 3 assists, and 2 blocks…elite defensively, but just don’t see him being dominant enough offensively
I don't even see him being elite defensively. He's not as athletic as people think. Does he really move better than Stromile Swift? Of course he's not brain dead like Swift was but he's not the athlete either. I'm more 17, 9, 3 and 1.5. I think might average a steal a game too
Right, and nobody said ever. You pass up on a Gasol, Bosh, or Mobley if you think you can draft a top-5 player, not a Zach LaVine. That’s the whole point here. This discussion is already irrelevant, as I can see that the Green fan-club is already conceding that he has a top-5 potential. It was dumb to deny it, to start with. The Rockets front office gave an indication, they are not some dummies to pass on Mobley only to hope for a borderline All-Star in year 7 like LaVine. Mike Schmitz, who is one of the best, tweeted that JG will lead the league in scoring one day (see Clutch re-tweet). I mean, this has been pretty much consensus, this kid has a superstar potential. This back-and-forth here happened only because we have a group of neurotic, over-protective and over-politicized Green fans here at CF who were trying to lower expectations to "protect’ the kid. I mean, couple of guys here thought that Jordan Poole was too high of a bar for JG in his first year! The Kobe/MJ comps were lunacy we were told, set your sights on the next LaVine… Also we couldn’t comment or analyze anything based on small # of NBA games, even though players are analyzed and over analyzed since middle school nowadays… Basically, a group here was trying to create some kind of a BS woke “safe place” for Jalen here. Guess what, turns out the kid doesn’t need it, he has put extreme expectations on himself, and from his comments he was feeling disappointment himself that he was not meeting them, while posters here were being harassed for feeling the same disappointment. That’s how you grow and become a man. You need to feel expectations, you need to feel disappointment and climb over these walls. I saw in these two monster dunks against Cs something primal, toxic aggression. That’s how you become a superstar. You don’t become a superstar by saying "for the first year I’ll maybe try to get on Jordan Poole level although that’s not likely, and then in my 7th year on my second team I’ll be able to make the All-Star as a reserve"… That may work for synchronized swimming, but in NBA history if you want to be great you embrace expectations, embrace pressure, embrace criticism and conquer them.
What exactly is "really raw" about him besides his frame that needs to bulk up which will naturally happen anyways? He has advanced footwork for his age, at least more than his go to comparison Lavine at the same age. He already is doing things like changing pace on a pick and roll and shielding defenders behind him to time the roll man or drive to the paint right. He's already showing good ball handling skills. His shot is streaky but still can go in feugo mode for a 19 year old. NBA has existed for how many decades and only 3 other NBA players in the league's history scored 30 pts at a younger age.
Jordan Poole now is better than Kobe at 19. I don't think I'm that "neurotic" fanboy of Green as I equally want him, Sengun and KPJ to equally succeed. It just seems like the people who wanted someone other than Green have absolutely been on a mission the past few weeks trying to convince everyone that we got the wrong pick which means one bad game or even one bad possession and people are labeling him a near bust where it's already predetermined that Mobley will be better. The only advantages Mobley has now is his body is more NBA ready and he plays for a more competent team with a more competent PG ball distributer. As soon as Green packs on mass which WILL happen because of his age and adhering to a NBA training program and diet, I think Green is going to skyrocket past Mobley.
I dont think Mobley has a "better" NBA body other than height. He has the privilege of being relatively hidden on his roster. Sandwiched in between really good vets like Allen and Markkanen. Decent guards in Sexton and Garland. He can just blend in on that roster; just hit open shots, get boards and make easy passes. Green has a target on his back every night - which is fine he's used to that type of attention. He's prepared to rebuild a franchise and Mobley would rather fit in. His last few games some have said were "great" but they led to losses. Last night the Cavs knocked off the Nugs which was a good win IMO and Mobley was just another guy out there. Not a catalyst. We needed someone who could be the face of the franchise and not wither under the expectations. PLUS the one thing everyone just keeps glossing over is that Mobley and his family didn't want him to play here. Ignored the Rockets when they requested a workout. How can you possibly be upset over not picking Mobley when he would have hated being here? At least Jalen loves being a Rocket and while he may have wanted to go #1 like any other top prospect it feels like he's settled in here and is starting to lock in on being the best player on this team with goals of even bigger and better things. Mobley is cool playing 3rd fiddle. He'll make a good career our of it and I just wonder if he can be anything like Tim Duncan? Quiet guy who just goes to work. Time will tell. Im through with this thread. Its just a revolving door of hurt feelings and people who cant seem to let go. I wish Mobley well. He can flame out of pro ball and still have a lavish life due to his Dads hard work and nobody would bat an eye. Jalen Green HAS to succeed. So many people count on him and with that fire and fortitude anything is possible. You all have fun in here.
I agree but I think there are different things here. Some people just didn't like Mobley...at all. I know, I was here arguing for Mobley, they thought he for sure was going to be bust or at the very least just another Capela and that you can pick that up in FA in any year. So if you think that of Mobley than a Zach Lavine is clearly the choice you go with. People downplayed Mobley A LOT and I think that was a mistake. He has special potential, along with Green and Cade...but it is funny how people did low their expectations in that one thread. Before we were all assured Green would win ROY and even after two meh games he's still 3rd in rookie scoring. I just wanted to defend those people a bit, not that they thought Green would be the next Kobe (some did though...) but just they were so hard on Mobley or the position he played that they didn't see the potential. Also to be clear here...Mobley or Green, neither of these guys have proved anything yet. They very well could be busts and they very well could be Kobe and Garnett remixed. Time will tell.
Mobley could end up like a Tim Duncan. I don’t need Green to be better than that, even if he’s just 70% of that, the prestige a high scoring guard like that brings to a franchise could be worth it (ticket sales, attracting FAs). When you are picking that high, the most important thing is just don’t be a bust and waste the pick, who ends up marginally better doesn’t matter that much in the end. Doncic was the correct pick at the time, but I doubt many Atlanta fans are unhappy with Trae. If Green is a perennial all star bringing Hou back to playoff relevance, I’m not going to give two shts if Mobley turns out marginally, or even a lot better. You can’t always get it right. Now if Mobley is Tim Duncan and Green turns out to be Jordan Clarkson then we have a major problem.
You could have summed up all of those paragraphs with your previous deeply insightful opinion on whether Green may just be too girly to be a great player. Saves you a ton of typing.
