Jalen Green - what are your expectations for this year?

The fact you change your opinion after one rough game shows you don't know much about rookies in the NBA. I stand by everything I've said.

 

I didn't change my opinion after one game. Here's a shocker, some people are capable of holding more than one thought at the same time.

1. Green is not good, yet. But has potential.
2. There are other rookies I like better, one of them is on his same team.
3. When he shows good traits(not even a good game) I'll praise him.
4. When he looks like dog sht I'll say it.
5. I'll root for Green because he's a rocket now and hope he's not a bust.

None of that is mutually exclusive.

 

I think Green and the rest of the rookies are going to be fine. They're ROOKIES, so it's going to take time.

My problem is not so much them....IT'S EVERYTHING! The defense, the offense, the turnovers, etc., etc. And that is a direct result of coaching.

They didn't look good in the one win, the lost against Miami, nor in the Toronto game. But more importantly, Silas has looked lost and that is what's so scary.

 

I worry he has put too much pressure on himself to “average 30” and “win ROY” and “prove Detroit wrong.” Should have stayed humble and hungry and let his game talk. He raised the bar for expectations himself, naturally when he fails to deliver in his first 3 nba preseason games, people are going to wonder if he was all smoke no fire.

 

Oh, no. I didn't need 3 preseason games. You can go and find me not understanding the hype on him before we even drafted him, when talking heads and seemingly many Rockets fans were proclaiming him a franchise altering player.

You claim i'm not in reality. How ironic.

Here is the ACTUAL reality. The Rockets drafted a player with the #2 pick in the draft. You, and the vast majority of those same fans mentioned above, have to ignore what is actually happening right in front of your eyes (aka evidence, aka reality) to get to sleep at night and tell yourself it'll all be alright. Because heaven forbid the #2 pick, someone everyone spent all last season dreaming of to help them get over the loss of Harden, has come out of the gates failing miserably as the 'franchise altering player' he was touted as.

Because for some insane reason, you think because the Rockets drafted this kid at #2 he can do no wrong. He actually has done a hell of a lot wrong.

Yes, he's 19. So is Sengun.

Yes, he can potentially grow into a franchise altering player. Will the Rockets even have kept him when he finally may/may not realise that?

Of course not everyone is going to be LeBron or Luka. Not many - if any - rookie every single year is labelled a franchise altering player. So you kind of expect just a tad bit more from those specific players.

Here is REALITY. At this very point in time.

- horrid defender
- very below par passer
- very below par main ballhandler
- no point commenting on rebounding since I won't hold that against him
- so he's talked up as some explosive scorer... yet we haven't seen anything resembling that when the physicality and speed of his opponents has picked up. And guess what, people love to toot the 'it's only the pre-season horn'. That horn toots both ways. No opposition has played the defense they will play on a nightly basis in the regular season. How bad does Green look then?

Who knows.

And this one is going to really sting for those Harden haters. Spend next game watching Green off ball. For all the comments we saw lamenting Harden not moving without it... Yikes. I can't wait to see if people share the same sentiment here.

People can have differing opinions. You kind of lose your self perceived moral high ground though when you say the other side is stupid like the other poster, or claim they're living in a fantasy land like you did.

It's ok. I get it. I really do want him to be the franchise altering player so many claimed him to be. That benefits the Rockets. That benefits me. I don't need to make any apology that I see very differently. I saw very differently even before he was a member of the Rockets. And he has done absolutely nothing on the court to make me consider changing that position so far.

People seem to act like Tilman is going to wire them $1000 if Green turns out to have a ROY season. It's strange. Of course we all want nothing more than him to be that good. It's bizarre how factions on Clutchfans are so against others having a differing viewpoint, scary almost.

 

Wait. So I'm the one who was skeptical of Green before the draft. Insanely high on Sengun before the draft. And now that Sengun looks amazing and Green looks like dog sht, I'M the one not in touch with reality and know nothing about rookies?? Lol

 

If you think Sengun isn't going to have struggles as well you're sadly mistaken. 3 preseason games still applies to ppl saying Sengun is gonna be Jokic or something adjacent to that. Not saying he won't but 3 preseason games doesn't indictcate anything other than rookies flash in some games and struggle in others.

 

I've heard people say this is only 3 preseason games and I get that. But Mobley looks good and Green looks bad and now people are saying 3 preseason games mean nothing (this is not directed at any one poster in particular). Would they say the same if those results were switched?

I think after 25 regular season games or 30 or whatever, we will still see Mobley as looking much better. What will the excuse be at that time?

Green is our player and I'm rooting for him, make no mistake. But as has been said, people have to recognize that Green has a lot of development to do. And I don't want to hear any more "wait till next game" posts. So he has one good game and four stinkers and NOW the preseason game matters?

Patience. This is going to be a long season full of losing. I want to see Green and the other Rockets rookies making progress, though I would like some wins. The Vegas line is 27.5 wins. I thought it would be more (as an optimistic Rockets fan) but I haven't seen anything that would make me want the over. And I get that we want another high draft pick. Believe me, we'll get it. But we can't guarantee a top 3 pick and we should play to be as successful as we can be this year for the psyche of all of our young players.

 

Its not just 3 preseason games when some of us have been watching them since before the draft :

And that's giving him a ton of credit to say he could average 25ppg one day, but even then his deficiencies will hold him back from being a great player.

 

At the expense of developing other rookies and young players?

 

Guy who knows nothing about rookies spots Sengun's defensive potential when the entire world was saying he would be one of the worst defensive bigs in the draft which is why he dropped to 16:

 

His G League team finished at the bottom of the playoff cut off and wasn't blown out on a nightly basis..... That's the similar hyperbole to "he isn't good, he never was" that you spouted.

It's okay you were never high on Green, but when you lie about something (like his g league teeam), it makes you seem less than objective.

 

I am starting to realize the Green and Porter combo will struggle way harder than previously imagined, especially when they are playing without a system and terrible playmakers like Wood and Theis.

I feel like when Green and Porter do get open shots, they usually make them. But they have been very bad at creating off iso's against a set defense, it usually just end up being a step back ugly jumper brick.

Green has a tons of speed going for him, and we see that in flashes. He can get blow by defenders in a 1 v 1 situation, but not when there's help coverage. He is also quite quick in cuts and isn't really afraid of contact which is good. The problem is again getting him there.

With his current ball handling skill, streaky shooting off the dribble, and without a system/playmaker to get him good shots, he's going to be very very inefficient this year. Not sure what that will do to his confidence and with the expectations he set for himself.

I predict Green's trajectory might be like a Demar Derozan, who was a mediocre athletic wing scorer through his first couple of years playing on a terrible team with bad coaching. But he worked hard on his game, developed some go to moves and playmaking skills, and was able to contribute to a playoffs team .

 

I hope Green turns out to be a star. He has physical tools outside of length that fit prototype 2 guard. His mindset seems to be one that will work at his craft. He’s still raw.
Needs some polish.

The only issue I’m seeing from some in here is wanting to showcase Green to get “his” numbers. Have we learned nothing from the last 9 years?
System, team ball and developing strengths while minimizing weaknesses as a team is going to be more important than one superstar player.
I would much rather him becoming a superstar while other super talented young players on this team become stars as well.
Sengun, KPJ and maybe even JC have just as much potential as Green. With KMJ, Tate and Garuba right after them.

 

Yeah, you're wasting your time. Too much nuance and complexity for this crowd. We're dealing here with some unstable individuals with unhealthy obsessive crush on an ambiguously-gendered teenage boy.

 

Green and KPJ do seem redundant. Need one of them to develop in to a true facilitator without losing the offensive capability

 

I think you just outed yourself homie....

 

I don't think they are redundant, we just need some steady playmaking on the team to make everyone else's life easier.

 

Redundant in the sense that they’re similar sized score first, athletic guards. I think they’re willing to share and get others involved but not adept at the nuances of the game, yet.

 

Dont forget the fingernails and the hair. Wait til they find out he showers regularly, heads will roll lol Damned hicks