No it hasn't. How can it work and the so-called protected have to still protect themselves from the unprotected so that they won't get what they are supposed to be protected from?? It will never make sense because it is nonsense. Look, I get it, the ones who are claiming that it's safe and it works are just doing so out of fear. They really dont know jack. They are really just hoping they're right.
We don't need to prove her wrong. Science already has done that for us. Whatever fringe sites you have "researched" have been proven wrong by science as well. Give us a link to any accredited scientific research that determined the vaccines don't work. Edit: did Possum pass the wacky relay baton to you or something?
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how the vaccine works. It isn't 100% chance of never contacting Covid-19. It greatly reduces the chance. It has been proven to do so. It is also very effective at preventing serious effects and hospitalization should the vaccinated person get Covid-19. It isn't 100%, but close to it. They do know about it, because they have enormous amounts of data to use and which has been used.
I really need to figure out how to be more kind in my responses to people like you quoted. They think everyone out there just doesn't know anything. They just don't understand that there are actually people out there much smarter than themselves. Then somehow rationalize at the same time though that are smart enough to see through all the BS out there to see the "real conspiracies".
Just because you e read that somewhere doesn’t make it true. What about all the healthcare workers not wanting it. Are you ok with the senate, Congress, white-house staff not being part of mandates? I can show your charts from other countries that show the vaccinated are the ones getting infected the most. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1023849/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_40.pdf who knows what to believe.
Did you read the PDF you linked? These are from the document that you linked. Everything in that report supports what I posted. If you see something that you feel contradicts it, please point it out to me.
Counterpoint to schools already requiring vaccines for enrollment: those vaccines are for diseases that are more effective at killing children than Covid. More like a possible counterpoint since I don't know if it's true, but we do know very few children suffer major Covid related consequences. And I remember reading somewhere, probably here, that kids don't spread the virus as much as adults do. So, if that is true, why force kids to take it if their parents are hesitant? There are parents who are vaccinated, but aren't sure about it for their kids. Adults have other options if their company mandates the vaccine, but not all parents could send their kids to a private school or homeschool them if they could no longer attend a public school. Anecdote.. When a student turns 13 in my classroom they sometimes say they're getting the vaccine and that leads to many students mentioning that their parents will not vaccinate them. No significant numbers, but I know these kids can't homeschool or get into a private school.
Delta has caused a five-fold increase in pediatric COVID and a ten-fold increase in hospitalization for unvaccinated adolescents than those eligible for the vaccine but unvaccinated. CDC Studies Document Higher COVID-19 Hospitalization Rates in Children During Delta Surge https://www.usnews.com/news/health-...lization-rates-in-children-during-delta-surge
Nobody here would cherry pick info and misrepresent the science would they? A Harvard Study Is Going Viral Among Anti-Vaxxers. The Author Says They Are All Wrong. Fight disinformation. Get a daily recap of the facts that matter. Sign up for the free Mother Jones newsletter. Anti-vaxxers say they’ve found a smoking gun: a new blue-chip paper that proves COVID vaccines are ineffective. The vaccine “doesn’t stop you from getting [COVID] at all,” claimed Daniel Horowitz, a senior editor at the Blaze, in a tweet promoting a column he wrote trumpeting the research. The headline: “Harvard researcher finds absolutely no correlation between vax rates and COVID cases globally.” Supporters of Horowitz’s perspective tweeted the piece and posted it on Facebook, where it received more than 4,000 interactions, including 2,600 shares, according to data from CrowdTangle, the Facebook-owned analytics company. “That conclusion is misleading…This paper supports vaccination.” Alas, there’s just one problem for Horowitz and company: S.V. Subramanian, the Harvard professor of population health and geography behind the paper, says the vaccine doubters are completely wrong. “Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States,” looks like it could be arguing against vaccine effectiveness. Indeed, the paper initially came onto my radar from a concerned tipster who worried an unscrupulous Harvard researcher was working to leverage the university’s name in the service of right-wing political aims. But on closer inspection, Subramanian’s paper, which was published in the peer-reviewed European Journal of Epidemiology, simply examines the lack of correlation between broad geographies’ vaccination rates and their rates of new COVID cases. For example, Subramanian points to countries like Israel, which have high rates of both vaccination and new infections. But instead of concluding that such data means vaccines are useless, Subramanian says his findings suggest that it’s unwise to ignore other treatments and precautionary steps—say, masks or lockdowns. In other words, he writes, the “sole reliance on vaccination as a primary strategy to mitigate COVID-19 and its adverse consequences needs to be re-examined… other pharmacological and non-pharmacological interventions may need to be put in place alongside increasing vaccination.” Over email, Subramanian insisted that the positive effects of vaccines are not in doubt: “Other research has clearly and definitively established that the vaccines significantly reduce the risk of hospitalization and mortality.” Despite the misinterpretation, anti-vaxxers and vaccine doubters like Horowitz have held up and shared Subramanian’s paper as vindication on an array of platforms that have struggled to fight false anti-vaccine information. Horowitz’s own column has been tweeted out to at least half a million users. Posts bringing attention to the paper have done well on anti-vax and right-wing Reddit groups; a summary was posted to more than a dozen subreddit communities with over 34 million followers. On Facebook, posts sharing a link to the paper’s abstract have also gone viral thanks to similar pages. Bernhard Zimniok, a member of European Parliament representing Germany’s far-right AfD party, shared it to his 24,000 Facebook followers, netting over 1,000 likes, shares, and comments. Slobodny Vysielac, a xenophobic, nativist Slovakian publication which has been likened to Infowars, also shared a link to the study to its 85,000 followers. Across the platform, CrowdTangle analytics show it was shared by pages with over a collective 2 million followers and was interacted with 7,000 times. While Subramanian’s paper has its doubters, it is not considered particularly controversial. Nor does he use his findings to advance polemic political claims. But that hasn’t stopped his research from being shared and contorted by people who are trying to spread vaccine disinformation. In many cases, they share news of the paper with little to no comment at all, a nothing-to-say tactic that may help them avoid scrutiny or moderation for spreading disinformation. Even so, given their track record of spreading vaccine falsehoods, the subtext of what they are communicating is perfectly clear.
You said that every person that dies and is positive for COVID is listed as a COVID death. That is whacky. You said Harris and Biden said they wouldn't get the vaccine when what they said was they wouldn't get it if Trump said to, but would if medical professionals said to. That was whacky.
Please don’t quote him that guy is absolutely dumbbb. I love the “healthcare workers!” Line. They count everybody from tech to front desk. Only the doctors make the medical decisions /order things and guess where they stand. I actually feed bad for him
Seriously - Possum may be many things, a crank, a coward, a creep - but "whacky" - now you're just needling the poor man @Rashmon. And he is not into needling.
Still waiting on your scientific proof stating that she is wrong. Putting up that video was me doing my part. Now it's your turn. No more excuses. Proof.
That article doesn't address whether Covid is deadlier than the diseases the current crop of children's vaccines fight. Nor does it address the transmisibility rates among children. It says that Covid cases are increasing among children in proportion to the increases seen amongst other groups. The one point in favor of vaccinating children is the ten-fold increase amongst adolescents eligible but unvaccinated. But I don't see parents against vaccinating their kids changing their minds because their kids might catch Covid and get sick. Are there enough studies to push for a mandate on adolescents 12 and up or younger kids? Anything at all that finds similarities in the effects Covid has on older adults to young children? Even pushing a vaccine mandate to adults is tough, how could you expect to get enough support for a mandate for kids?
The point was mandate is a norm, not if children should be mandated. Possibly there won't be a mandate because children usually do quite well against it on avg. For your two points... You don't want to get Hep A/B, but if you aren't vaccinated, your chance of getting it here in the US is pretty slim. It could be more effective at killing children (0.3%) on a per case basis but if you consider the chances of infection, it probably is quite overall lower. Chickenpox killed ~120 ppl/yr before widespread vaccination. That's 120ppl (of all ages)/4m infected per year. Covid has killed ~500 children in the US since the pandemic started (~18Months). 161 for 5-14, 121 for 0-1, 60 for 1-4. So, ~in the same ballpark as Chickenpox. Children are as likely to be infected and to spread Covid as adult. They simply don't get as sick.
That was a good read and most likely spot on. Thanks for the link. Southwest only had 3% cancellation today so it looks like they've been able to 'reset'.
The truth will always sound wacky to someone covering their ears. As the antivaxxers deny the words of the cdc, fda, doctors. Scared of "unknown" side effects of the vaccination. Do u even know the long term effects of getting covid is? Selfish dumbasses thinking they know more than the health Profesional community.
