[/QUOTE] https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...we_are_counting_that_as_a_covid-19_death.html Dr. Birx: Unlike Some Countries, "If Someone Dies With COVID-19 We Are Counting That As A COVID-19 Death" DR. DEBORAH BIRX: So, I think in this country we've taken a very liberal approach to mortality. And I think the reporting here has been pretty straightforward over the last five to six weeks. Prior to that when there wasn't testing in January and February that's a very different situation and unknown. There are other countries that if you had a preexisting condition and let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem some countries are recording as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death. Right now we are still recording it and we will I mean the great thing about having forms that come in and a form that has the ability to market as COVID-19 infection the intent is right now that those if someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that as a COVID-19 death. It’s embarrassing that you claim to be a Dr. Hahahaha lol.
So basically you agree with someone that has agreed to lying for the trump admin about covid , has never treated a single covid patient. I’m glad you’re the judge of that what the process of pronouncing someone dead as well as their cause of death. To say someone died of covid they basically have to have acute hypoxic respiratory failure. It’s kind of hard to say someone died of “kidney failure” because the cause of death is almost always heart attack (dialysis keeps the renal job checked but not the vascular effects). You as an internet expert and leader for misinformation conjuring this conspiracy is Laughavle to anybody that deals with this. Yea I’m sure people are getting away with lying about the cause of death .. it’s fruitless debating someone that doesn’t know what they’re talking about.
I don’t know why these pro vaxxers are so pushy and so emotional bro? You and I obviously are not anti-vaxxers and we just want some freedom to chose what to put in our bodies. To these knuckleheads, the vaccines are the end all be all but the evidence and science saying otherwise. They get so mean and nasty, they’re borderline psychotic. Maybe you can tell me why they are behaving like out of control lunatics?
I'm not sure what gives you that idea but it seems to me that the unvaccinated might just be the knuckleheads. Sept 24 article: Of the nearly 19,000 Texas deaths attributed to COVID-19 since early February, 119 were fully vaccinated according to preliminary data from the state health department. https://www.texastribune.org/2021/09/24/coronavirus-texas-deaths-under-60/
They’ve all been convinced that they are morally superior to those they disagree with. They’ve become arrogant and easily manipulated. This is how hitler was able to convince Germans to kill millions of Jews. Manipulat the stupid ones to think they are righteous. Look at the “DRs” lol last post. Arrogant and unwilling to see anything other than what he is told by his COVID overlords. Their basically a cult that’s been Brainwashed into obedience.
You can't help but wonder what percent of those 119 were exposed by their own selfish unvaccinated family members or friends, who they put being around over their own safety.
Again, I repeat.....if you believe that nonsense you might as well call yourself brainwashed by Trump propaganda and lies. One thing is for sure, and it's based on fact. That mentality is putting the brainwashed into their graves. Of the nearly 19,000 Texas deaths attributed to COVID-19 since early February, 119 were fully vaccinated according to preliminary data from the state health department. If you don't believe the facts, you have no business calling anyone who does brainwashed. Propaganda and lies are killing our own people. All in the name of freedom by God. SMH
What does this have to do with trump. Other than this **** is his fault. The fact that you think it’s only “brainwashed trump supporters” shows just how brainwashed you are. The majority of blacks and Hispanics are unvaccinated. You think they’re all just dumb trump supporters? This is tour media filling your head with BS. And again, I’m worried about the long term effects of these vaccines. I don’t trust the process it went through. Maybe you can ignore that but I can’t. Thousands of healthcare workers agree with me. Are they all just dumb trumpet supporters? You're obviously a democrat seeing as how you just stereotyped me. I thought stereotyping was frowned upon in the democrat party? Shame shame.
Haha see, that’s exactly what I’m talking about. When given a glimpse into what goes on, pea brain can’t compute and auto sequences to misinformation parrots. There’s a reason I don’t waste my time with you when I literally explained what goes on. You can’t “label anybody a covid death”. Your inability to follow basic logic and place more faith on shitty YouTube videos and Facebook posts shouldn’t be a reason others should waste their time. I discourage other posters from engaging with these liars, they are basically flat earthers ..
From that quote, Dr. Birx is saying that if Covid19 caused someone to go to the ICU and caused a severe organ failure then it's marked as a covid19 death. Severe covid19 creates terrible strain on your heart, lungs, and kidneys. It's common to have covid patients to have to go on dialysis due to kidney failure due to blood clots, damage from lack of oxygen, and inflammation. If then the patient dies from kidney failure, then it should be marked as a covid19 death. I don't see any problem with that. If you watch the video, it's also clear that she says "a form that has the ability to mark it as covid-19 infection...", not "ability to market as covid-19 infection". I don't know if it's a simple transcription error, or if it was intentional. You can look at how a cause of death section of a death certificate is supposed to be filled out: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/blue_form.pdf. The physician filling it out should try trace the cause of the death to an underlying cause. So someone that died from a heart or kidney failure that was caused by covid-19, then it should be marked as the underlying cause.
Another thing one can look at to understand the effect of COVID-19 is excess mortalities: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
Right... if you remove the COVID deaths, the US had a 'typical' year in death increase. Add in the COVID deaths and it was a relatively huge increase. My friend who recently died had no underlying problems. He caught COVID and died in the hospital about 2 weeks later. Kidney and other organ failure caused by COVID is why he died. So, he is a COVID death. George Floyd was positive for COVID, yet it was his inability to breathe because of a knee on his neck that caused his death. Therefore he was not a COVID death. An acquaintance who died of cancer was positive for COVID when he died. His death was officially due to cancer. What too many idiots don't want to acknowledge is that the medical professionals who fill out death certificates include a number of things on the certificate that the person had wrong with them.
Exactly, no physician is going to risk their career to something easily verifiable and for something that has zero benefit. And to your earlier point, almost every patient that dies from COVID dies from ARDS/respiratory failure. It’s a state unlike anything I’ve seen from other diseases, your chest X-ray is essentially completely whited out. To folks that don’t understand how ludicrous this is, what @Possum is trying to say is someone dies driving 100mph straight into a wall and that it’s something other than blunt force trauma. new onset renal failure requiring dialysis in the setting of covid is rare, everybody gets some sort of renal injury but you manage with fluids etc, but even in that instance with dialysis treatments that wouldn’t really be the cause…it’s the covid. I think it’s insane people that have no idea about what they’re talking about are correcting panels of people that went to school/trained for 20+ years and have countless years of experience on top of that. For some reason covid is super politicized because you won’t see these clowns relying on their internet skills when it comes to other disease states like cancer treatment , fractures
damn... not even a mild placebo effect. that may mean it's slightly health negative, but within the noise. SMDH
