Not sure we live in the same country, but calling Americans responsible for their health generally is pretty laughable. Also, many people have jobs that require them to work no matter what - no excuses - lest they be terminated.
I live in Montgomery, Texas. So I think we are in the same country. If people don't take more responsibility for the their own health, you get people using hospital ERs for health issues they should have (could have) taken care of with better health habits, or care provided by their personal physician. People that can't work because they refuse to be vaccinated? Hard to have any sympathy for them.
Have you subscribed to r/hermancainaward? That content is straight up ecstasy that I want injected into my veins, just like the vaccine.
I get where you are coming from. Two points: Point 1: Zgote, Embroy, Fetus is part of the body. The choice here is of the body. My body, my choice. Virus is not part of the body. The choice here is of the body and of the non-body. My body, my choice, but also not your body, not your choice. Point 2: Most Republicans believe women should have the choice to abort for cases of rape, incest, medical... Most Democrat believes everyone should have the choice to not vaccinate for a medical or religious reason... maybe even most believe regular testing is an alternative. There are very few with a black and white view of choice or no choice. What it says is most people recognize we live in a society with complex interactions with no such thing as 100% choice. The restriction on choice is mainstream and where that line of choice or restriction is lie with each person's value. A true hypocrite here would be someone that has no choice in one case and complete freedom of choice in the other case. That's not many people. Most of us are much milder hypocrite
I get where you're coming from too. But your part one is negated by the first sentence in your last paragraph. That's kind of my point here. Everyone wants to tell everyone else what to do with their bodies. How about we don't, and just try and educate people?
Yeah it’s Darwin awards big time. Unfortunately most high risk idiots have already long ago disseminated their genes so it’s a moot point. Except the parting shot of unpaid hospital bills in their last desperate attempt to stay alive while realizing the utter folly of their beliefs.
lol abortion for women 6 wks pregnant is not comparable to the latter. The idea behind mandating vaccines (just as you have to do with so many other ones for work/school) is prevent you from transferring communicable diseases.
Education is better but it hasn’t been effective in this environment. I hate mandate but it is effective. As for part one, I’m not sure how. Virus isn’t part of your body. It can invade and take over your body, putting it into a system that everyone else depends on. It can escapes and kills others. Society do have the right to safeguard itself from that.
good riddance to that douchebag Covid has now become the darwin disease…it is the unvaccinated that are dying in droves and filling up hospitals when a free solution to dramatically reduce their risk is right there waiting for them
The issue is though to what extent does what you do with your body affect others. If COVID-19 wasn't contagious and purely due to personal actions views regarding mandates might be different.
I think our society values productivity and the bottom line more than increasing the risk of others getting sick. That's how you get managers who want to resume office work or eliminating mandates centered around isolation or self distancing (Restaurants and Retail) Sure big corporations are now requiring vaccines but that's more inherent on their bottom line than public safety
It's also why COVID conspiracies to shut down businesses make no sense. The "elites" such as politicians are heavily invested in the markets. The last thing they want is economic shutdown.
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Whenever someone uses the whole" it's a communist plot by the leftists" I ask them "so you seriously believe Bernie Sanders has more influence and pull than lobbyists in the energy sector?".
False equivalency. Vaccines are about protecting myself and others from a virus and future variants. Abortion is about a woman's right to choose what happens to HER body and is no one else's business. I'm not harmed if a woman chooses to not to become a mother. I can die if someone chooses not to get vaccinated.
Can't social distancing, wearing a mask at all times, and washing your hands frequently be considered a way around of affecting others? I'm just playing devil's advocate here to prove a point. It seems like most are on board with vaccine mandates and siding with the left. I'm just trying to prove a point of the hypocrisy of it all. Let's let people do what they want with their own health decisions regardless and just expect them to behave responsibly. If they don't things even out, unfortunately, as we're seeing in the news more and more. And while we're on the subject I also find it very creepy and morally wrong the way people are celebrating anti-vaxxers dying such as the Herman Cain award Reddit. I feel like people just want to lash out at something into be able to have control over something because they're lacking something in their everyday life.
You're looking at it as from a virus perspective. Getting the vaccine does not prevent you from getting covid. In fact, the Pfizer vaccine after 4 months is only 20% effective at preventing covid compared to not being vaccinated at all. A more effective way to look at it would be from forcing a vaccine on to somebody that doesn't want it. And when you say vaccine, realize this is not a vaccine that is as effective as the other required vaccinations. It's more similar to the reason why the flu vaccine is not required. I am vaccinated. Once again, just trying to play devil's advocate to call out hypocrisy of our government.
That's likely hyperbole. As we've covered numerous times, the vaccine will not prevent you from getting covid, but it will also most likely prevent you from getting hospitalized and or dying. We're too far gone to prevent mutations and we were that way before the vaccines in my opinion.
And how many of the anti-Vaxxers are also good with mask wearing and keeping social distance? Except we don't see people behaving responsibly. That's the point of most laws regarding public safety that affect individual action. For example anti-smoking laws had less to do with the health of smokers and more about second hand smoke. Now if most people just chose not to smoke once the dangers of smoking were known then we wouldn't have needed those laws. As is you can still smoke but for the safety of others where you can is greatly limited. It isn't a right though that you can go to a bar or work where ever you want so as such it's considered reasonable to tell smokers they can't smoke in a bar or at most jobs. In terms of a vaccine for a contagious disease I don't believe you can force everyone no matter any condition to take the vaccine but the mandates aren't written that way. There is no right to go to a movie or work any job. Certainly private businesses then have the right to decide for their safety and OSHA rules have stated that personal behaviors that endanger others at the workplace can be restricted. I agree we shouldn't take pleasure in the deaths of others even if they have been responsible for their own deaths. It's a tragedy for their family and friends. That doesn't mean that these people aren't object lessons and show that this disease isn't a hoax, a joke or something just meant for Socialist to control people's lives. The disease is real and living in denial isn't a solution.
