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[Marvel TV] What If...?

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  1. Ziggy

    Ziggy QUEEN ANON

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    I don't know if we can really trust what the TVA said about the stones tbh.
     
  2. Xerobull

    Xerobull ...and I'm all out of bubblegum
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    They sort of beat you over the head that the stones don't work in other universes. I don't question that one.
     
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  3. steddinotayto

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    Yea I think they were trying to convey that there were beings/things far greater/stronger than the stones moreso than how weak they were. I mean, if the stones were the biggest/strongest things in the MCU then it really doesn't help Disney/Marvel to set up future end-of-the-world events.
     
  4. Juxtaposed Jolt

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    Weren't the Stones useless in the TVA only because the TVA was like a "no-magic" zone, or something? Like, Mjolnir would probably be a regular hammer there, too.

    Maybe I remembered wrong.
     
  5. Ziggy

    Ziggy QUEEN ANON

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    We still don't even know what the TVA is. Those stones could have been anything.
     
  6. Rocket River

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    Can the Watcher go there? Why not trick Ultron into going there?

    Remember when Gamora Killed Thanos . . .. then Thanos rewrote reality to undo it.
    yea. . .. good times.

    Rocket River
     
  8. Xerobull

    Xerobull ...and I'm all out of bubblegum
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    They were there.
     
  9. Xerobull

    Xerobull ...and I'm all out of bubblegum
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    Here's sort of a hack response to the Infinity Stones question:

    Marvel Writer Reacts to MCU Fan Complaints About Infinity Stones In What If
    By Russ Milheim

    Posted: October 04, 2021
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    The most recent episode of What If...? showed fans the origin of how Infinity Ultron came to be ; this was the same one that entered the scene after Thor's big party ended the episode prior.

    Many fans adored the episode, and this incarnation of Ultron quickly became a fan favorite. However, there were questions to be had, namely about how the Infinity Stones were used by their wielder.

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    Back in Loki 's series premiere, Loki could be seen shifting through lifeless Infinity Stones, now dubbed as paperweights , that had lost their luster alongside the ability to utilize their power sets.

    So how was Infinity Ultron able to use them as he punched The Watcher through the multiverse ?

    Infinity Stone Fan Complaints Addressed
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    Marvel
    What If...? head writer A.C. Bradley took to Twitter to wish everyone a happy Monday, also taking the moment to comment on all of the complaints regarding the Infinity Stones in the show's latest installment.

    Bradley noted that "Ultron is using the Infinity Stones to power himself (same universe being) " while "legit punching across multiverses:"

    "Happy Monday! Just a reminder that Ultron is using the Infinity Stones to power himself (same universe being). Also he's legit punching across multiverses turning them into one messy universe soup. #WhatIf #WhatifMarvel #WeDidOurHW #YouAreAllAmazing"

    Infinity Stone Questions Still Remain
    Bradley's explanation at face value brings some questions. If that is the case, would the ability to power Ultron himself also be lost as he goes across universes? Or is it the case that as long as the person using the Infinity Stones is from the same universe as them, then they will work no matter where they are.

    Maybe that was the rule the whole time, and what Loki showed audiences was simply misinterpreted incorrectly.

    After all, the stones that Loki shifted through at the TVA were not of his universe. Audiences never saw him hold that Tesseract from his home universe again either.

    When it comes to the TVA, there are possibly other unexplained countermeasures involved. After all, magic was also blocked within their endless offices.

    The use of the Infinity Stones wasn't the only question that fans brought up about the latest What If...? episode . How were both Ego and Xandar still around? How was Gamora still alive if Thanos had both found and acquired the Soul Stone? Most importantly, how did Ultron beat Thanos with five Infinity Stones so quickly ?

    Either way, fans are in for quite an eventful finale this week as What If...? will likely provide a showdown between the Guardians of the Multiverse and Infinity Ultron. How will they beat the unbeatable foe?
     
  10. Invisible Fan

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    There are no plotholes in the multiverse.

    It's magic
     
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  11. Xerobull

    Xerobull ...and I'm all out of bubblegum
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    Nerd Angst > Canon > Magic
     
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  12. robbie380

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    I think trying to make everything "canon" in the What If series is what gets them in trouble. What if the infinity stones worked in the multiverse? That's all they need to have since it's a series about what if.

    Plot holes will only be getting worse with the multiverse and MCU I fear.
     
  13. robbie380

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    I ended up breaking down and resubbing to Disney plus and watched the last two episodes. They weren’t bad but you have to completely turn your brain off. The animations were cooler to watch than CGI spam. However the writing was done in a fashion to where things just happened without much logic and you had to accept it.

    If you just turn your brain off and watch it then it’s not bad. If you stop and think “wait this doesn’t make much sense…” then it’s kind of a disaster.

    They should give up on the idea of sticking to “canon” or saying things are “canon” in the MCU because rules or power scaling doesn’t really exist anymore. Things just happen.
     
  14. K LoLo

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    I liked the last episode tying everything together.
     
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  15. Rocket River

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    Final Episode they nerf Ultron like they did Thanos in the previous one.

    Rocket River
     
  16. DreamShook

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    they are never going to give Killmonger a redemption arc. come on man...
     
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  17. robbie380

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    I was like “well ok then…” when they finished off Ultron how they did after building him up to one of the most powerful beings in the multiverse.

    It was entertaining but logic and continuity is long gone in the MCU.
     
  18. Rocket River

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    I know Right?

    Seriously

    The Most advanced AI in existence.. .. .
    Taken out by a program what was on a Reel to Reel an hour ago! LMAO

    Rocket River
     
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  19. robbie380

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    They’ve created so many major plot holes with how poorly they’ve written infinity stones too. Killmonger saying they could use the stones to repair their universes after just a few min prior not being able to destroy the stones because the grinder machine was from the wrong universe.

    I think the MCU has created a problem of becoming too focused on extremely overpowered characters/ideas with seemingly no significant weaknesses. Then they randomly create a weakness or something and it doesn’t make much sense. They really have not planned this multiverse idea very cohesively with the writers so far.

    All that said I prefer the animation to CGI spam. The CGI spam made the end of Shang Chi made the movie worse. I really wish they could just get all the writers on the same page.
     
  20. Invisible Fan

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    I thought it was a good finale.

    These are all unpolished reject storylines, liquified into 30 mins of zero-brain feel-good fan service.

    Leftover chicken guts and bones -> Pink Slime -> Fast Food Nuggets
     
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