Would you trade John Wall & 3 - 4 1st rounders for Ben Simmons?

I don’t believe Simmons wants to be in Houston or would commit to a role that isn’t him being the main playmaker, especially not for this team…maybe somewhere like BK or LA he’d have no choice but to fall in line and be this small-ball 5 or PF or whatever else people say he should be, but I don‘t see it happening here

Simmons is a special case…we don’t often see players doing what he’s currently doing

I also just don’t want 4 years of Simmons on our books

 

EVERY TEAM has inquired about Simmons. It's called doing your due diligence as a front office. Inquiring about however, is a far cry from being actually interested.

 

Thankfully for the Bucks, Giannis, his coach, and his team disagrees with your bad take.

 

At least he would play on starting 5 instead of sitting on bench as glorified coach.

All he needs is 1 good season to rehab his rep and become a valuable commodity again.

Rockets used to specialize in this.

Artest, Lowry, Dragic, Asik, Harden, Jeff Green, etc.

 

Stop being stupid.

Rockets had 2 legit options for Harden trade.

Sixers and Nets.

Sixers actually thought they had the trade and informed their players - both Simmons and Thybulle.

 

After watching last nights game .... I'm more content to ride this year out with what's currently on the roster and let the cream rise to the top.

It's not yet time to spend assets to "complete" this team ..... That's a year or two away. Let these guys develop , collect assets in the mean time , figure out what we're missing then go get it.


Adding any star to this current group is putting the cart before the horse.


Be patient .... build a dynasty.

 

but benn simmons may not be available by then... and we will be doomed to existence without benn simmons the only player and allstar that ever existed and will exist

 

Like I said, beyond that (which we went with Dipo) our FO has shown no real interest in Simmons.

 

if the take is comparing an underperforming malcontent to people who actually strive for and embrace greatness, he is truly doing a terrible job.

 

"do better"

 

Not really, you guys' entire argument is that Ben Simmons would be a great piece to our core because of his strengths; physical measurable, defense, help defense, and transition offense and playmaking. Everyone knows what Simmons is good at, but the question has always been if that outweighs what he is not good at or wants to do. To address your points (or his):

• Every team can use another player good at passing and handling the ball. While this is true, context matters. KPJ and Green are our ball handlers. They are our future. Is Simmons willing to take a back seat to that as KPJ and Green experiment and grow. Thus far, nothing Simmons has done or said has even remotely suggested he is willing to play 3rd fiddle on offense.
• Simmons can play the Draymond Green role. If we are only looking at defense, that certainly is good thing. However, the reason Dray is so good in his role is because he is also willing to shoot in order to spread the floor. Simmons has empirically proven that he is unwilling to do that. Heck, he is even unwilling to finish on much shorter (and poor) defenders, because he is so concerned about how bad he looks missing FTs. Dray is willing to do what he needs to do to help the offense while Simmons simply wants to be in charge of the offense.
• Simmons is great at pushing the transition offense. This is true, but not very meaningful once we get to the playoffs and the tempo of play slows down. There is a reason why half court offense is so prevalent in the playoffs. What this also means is that Simmons's biggest strength on offense gets severely marginalized in the playoffs. That combined with his inability (and even worse, refusal) to shoot, well... we end up with why he is so maligned nowadays.
  
• Simmons physical attributes make him great at the 4 or 5. Same boat here... while true, Simmons has never done or said anything that remotely suggests he is willing to play a complementary role in the front court full time. His entire career, he has expressed that he is a PG. In this day and age, you need a PG who can shoot or a PG who is surrounded by people who can shoot. Hot nights by players notwithstanding, our team is one of the poorest shooting teams out there and we did not get any better there with our draft. Does KPJ have decent catch and shoot numbers? Sure, but then we are talking about either marginalizing KPJ's strengths or marginalizing Simmons's.

This is all excluding how his lack of self-responsibility and self-development tendencies might affect a young, impressionable team. Do I want any of our players looking up to Simmons as a leader or role model? Absolutely not. He has no hunger, no courage to do what he needs to do when his team needs it from him. He wants to be the alpha dog without putting the work to make himself the alpha dog. In a lot of ways, he is like T-Mac where he has all the physical gifts, but none of the actual desire. Every offseason, true greats work on something significant and come back with their game elevated. There is no real difference between the Simmons today and the one from draft night.

 

Chill with the bullet points. I don’t need this place reminding me of work.

 

Don't read it then? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Chill with the “shrugging off my concerns” emojis. I don’t need this place reminding me of my wife.

 

In the case of Simmons, you aren’t adding a star to complete the team. You are adding an extremely accomplished and versatile player to the core. There are 12 players in the 19-25 range that can potentially be part of the long-term core. He would fit right in there with them.

It’s not like people are trying to add Kemba Walker or some 30+ has been on the back side of their career.

 

It feels like the longer this argument goes the harder the SOFs try to differentiate themselves from everyone else. They have to justify how good he is in their mind to the point of now they think he can work here and we should trade for him. Everyone here would agree that he has some excellent skills, size, and athleticism but he cannot shoot. SOFs just ignore this fact for a MAX player that plays PG and want to mash him into something else and make endless inane excuses for why it will work and he obviously wants to do it to prove their point. Not to mention the fact that his contract removes opportunities from this team to get better. It's not just trading Wall + picks. It's also trading future lottery pick and $60M+ cap space for possibly two max level players not currently on this roster.

 

You also cripple your roster flexibility with a player making 35 mil per year.

Thats quite a bit for someone who isnt a "star to complete the team"

This board seems to go more downhill every year when it comes to common sense.